see this alone would have solved AT&T's issues, but again they're just trying to waste $39 billion instead of a measly 3.6 billion (in comparison of course)Originally Posted by terryjohnson16
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AT&T to acquire T-Mobile USA
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Verizon seems to be trying to kick att butt in the spectrum dept.
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscente...6_billion.html
Go Sun Devils!
see this alone would have solved AT&T's issues, but again they're just trying to waste $39 billion instead of a measly 3.6 billion (in comparison of course)
Left: Apple iPhone 5 on T-Mobile Unlimited LTE, On the right CenturyLink DSL at Home:
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I agree. This would have also saved them money. But, AT&T might not have been thinking that SpectrumCo would be selling their spectrum. I wonder if AT&T did go after it, would the FCC agree to that, and the Qualcomm 700MHz spectrum.
What would be interesting, is if AT&T and Verizon would bid on more spectrum, if another spectrum auction was coming up.
Check this out:
http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/a...hp?a=99&p=1495
Verizon's deal, will give them the AWS spectrum, that they couldn't get in the AWS auction, while doubling or tripling their AWS spectrum holdings on the Eastern half of the US.
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Looks like AT&T has started launching LTE in NYC:
http://www.bgr.com/2011/12/02/at-tes...-up-to-40mbps/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/02/a...new-york-city/
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Where does this leave T-Mobile, considering these were AWS licenses? Are these the same licenses some hoped T-Mobile would get if they worked with or were bought by cable industry companies?
Will the FCC go for this considering how much spectrum Verizon already has?
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Thanks for the maps of AWS in your link. So does this mean T-Mobile can only do 21 Mbps in the three regions of the country where they only have 10mhz of AWS, and that there is no point to having a 42mbps phone versus a 21mbps phone in these areas?
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HetNet for the win!
This is what I'm seeing in Midtown Manhattan:
Verizon Wireless 4G LTE
T-Mobile HSPA+42
Go Sun Devils!
See, verizon played this one smart and in the end (especially on the east coast) they'll have enough spectrum to dominate AT&T in the data game for years to come, especially when they start combining 700/800/1700/1900/2100 all together
Sprint is in a similarly good position if they work it right with Clearwire using 800/1900 as primary in-building penetrating LTE bands, and 2500 as fallback outdoor coverage with LTE, that alone would be a kick *** network considering it's capabilities along with the capacity to make it all happen
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Yeah, these were the AWS licenses which some hoped would dovetail with T-Mobile's - either through purchase or some JV.
I think the FCC will lean towards approval, just like with the Qualcomm/AT&T deal, since it should lead to the licenses moving from a non-operating "hoarder" to someone who might actually use them. That being said, it seems the big 2 carriers are getting so many different chunks of spectrum that they will be hard-pressed to use them all in one device.
AT&T and T-Mobile SF Bay Area+ Cell Sites - with Cell ID labels
http://sfocellsites.com/
Over 1,100 AT&T sites in the 9 Bay Area counties + San Benito, Santa Cruz and Monterey counties
Now over 1,500 T-Mobile sites in these 12 counties
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Then what can T-Mobile do to ensure it has adequate spectrum to at least continue to enhance HSPA if they have no path to LTE? Or will they become limited to making cells smaller to add capacity?
I've got more phones than fingers
T-Mobile is definitely not in a good position after this. They could have very much used that AWS spectrum for LTE.
Heres T-Mobile's total spectrum holdings:
http://aroamer-downloads.s3.amazonaw...leSpectrum.jpg
versus AT&T:
http://assets.fiercemarkets.com/file...ectrum_att.jpg
versus Verizon:
http://aroamer-downloads.s3.amazonaw...onSpectrum.jpg
If T-Mobile had gotten the AWS from SpectrumCo, that would definitely have helped them edge closer to the big 2 in terms of amount of spectrum in metros.
I think for the next 5 years, T-Mobile could be ok with just deploying HSPA+ (42mbps and up). Its not optimal, but I think it would be possible to get by profitably and still have comparable user experiences to the big 2. In the past, DT has talked about re-farming existing spectrum (ie PCS) to deploy LTE. Thats much more difficult to do.
Isn't T-Mobile now only stuck with possible future spectrum auctions as a source of new spectrum?
Verizon 4G LTE
San Francisco | San Jose
AT&T 4G LTE
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Why didn't DT bid on that AWS spectrum to add value to T-Mobile USA, just like a seller of a house might make repairs or improvements? Did DT not know it was for sale and then Verizon scooped it up? Now whoever might buy T-Mobile is going to wonder if it has enough spectrum for the long term. And DT should have bought it for T-Mobile USA even if it will end up keeping T-Mobile.
Let's hope the FCC says Verizon has too much spectrum so T-Mobile has another chance at it later.
That would make for awkward situations with the phones needing to support yet another weird band? AWS was weird enough or we would have had the iPhone at least unofficially (unlocked).
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How did you get those maps? Can you get maps for just the AWS band?
I've got more phones than fingers
http://www.americanroamer.com/media-...dable-content/
This is T-Mobile's AWS holdings:
http://img.phonescoop.com/img/a/m/17539.gif
They have an average of 20mhz of AWS nationwide.T-Mobile tried to get the coveted 20 MHz F block where they could, but were out-bid by Verizon Wireless in many regions. They did score F block licenses in the Central and West regions, and they picked up both the D and E block in the Southeast.
That left them with only 10 MHz of AWS spectrum in the Northeast, Great Lakes, and Mississippi Valley regions. That might not be enough for major cities, so they beefed it up with an extra 110 A and C block licenses in urban areas. Their biggest A block wins were in the New York and Chicago areas. Their biggest C block licenses are for Philadelphia, Phoenix, LA, and Seattle. That will give them a whopping 30 MHz of AWS spectrum in New York, Chicago, Phoenix, LA, and Seattle.
If AT&T has to hand over their AWS to T-Mobile:
http://img.phonescoop.com/img/a/m/17532.gif
So that would give T-Mobile 30mhz or greater on the West and some metros on the East.They picked up two major 10 MHz licenses covering the whole West and Central regions. They also supplemented that with an additional 20 MHz of A block spectrum in LA and Dallas.
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Those are old charts from 2006 and do not indicate how much MHz in each location. Is there a way to filter the newer style of charts from AmericanRoamer to show just AWS?
And does St Louis really only have 10mhz of AWS and no way to get more? And does that mean phones above 21mbps are pointless (will not be faster than 21mbps phones)?
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