Kitchener-Waterloo

[xtachx]

Why doesn't Wind just tell us whether there will be coverage in Waterloo anytime soon... I'll probably have to sign a 3-year when I go to Waterloo, since Mobi's not there either.

Why 3 year? Go month to month on fido. (you have to bring your own phone or buy a phone at full price)

[canadiancow]

They willl tell you when they are ready. Maybe they are just waiting for back to school or for 2012.

They wouldn't wait if they were ready. They'd definitely have to launch far enough ahead of September to prevent people from signing up with Rogers "because WIND isn't available" throughout the summer.

There are more than enough people in the area waiting for WIND (myself included) that if they were capable of launching now, they would do it. It's just a matter of getting the network to a point where it isn't misleading to say "We cover KW."

[rockjock]

So you know this as a fact or wishful thinking? I mean if there are as many as you claim to be waiting for Wind why have they not placed the antennas atop the roofs and made a go of it? I mean honestly now why are they waiting for? You are starting to sound like the old Mike Jones or the new "I own Nokia 5230"

Perhaps you need start a petition.

They wouldn't wait if they were ready. They'd definitely have to launch far enough ahead of September to prevent people from signing up with Rogers "because WIND isn't available" throughout the summer.

There are more than enough people in the area waiting for WIND (myself included) that if they were capable of launching now, they would do it. It's just a matter of getting the network to a point where it isn't misleading to say "We cover KW."

[Guest 268]

So you know this as a fact or wishful thinking? I mean if there are as many as you claim to be waiting for Wind why have they not placed the antennas atop the roofs and made a go of it? I mean honestly now why are they waiting for?

That is a good question. However, like the other decisions by WIND Mobile, it is WIND who is running the show, and not us.
I don't always see or understand WINDs way of doing things, but then again: I'm not smart enough to run a billion-dollar corporation. And frankly, I suspect none of us are, or we would be doing that rather than spending time on this forum.

You are starting to sound like the old Mike Jones or the new "I own Nokia 5230"

Perhaps you need start a petition.

Perhaps, if you want to be considered as being a serious part of discussions such as these, you would be smart to forget about partisan editorializing.
I think you have a lot to contribute to these discussions - you just don't know enough to quit while you're ahead.

[canadiancow]

So you know this as a fact or wishful thinking? I mean if there are as many as you claim to be waiting for Wind why have they not placed the antennas atop the roofs and made a go of it? I mean honestly now why are they waiting for? You are starting to sound like the old Mike Jones or the new "I own Nokia 5230"

Perhaps you need start a petition.

I thought I already posted this reply, but it seems to not be here.

What exactly do you think is "wishful thinking"?

WIND isn't ready. They're still building sites. That's how this whole thread started.

When they're ready, they will want some ROI. They're not going to sit around with sites covering KW waiting for some magic date before they turn them on.

[rockjock]

Gentlemen I can not see how this whole keep everything hush hush is going anywhere. CC let me understand you... they are building sites? They place antenna on roofs. So place the antenna on the roof and be done with it. Now exactly what are they not ready to do? Have holes in coverage? I know have a new crop of customers with billing issues? Honestly gents. kitwatuser You make a multitude of valid points, I agree there are very few that can run billion dollar company, but Vimpelcom can do it. They are in the top 10 of companies size wise, but not profit wise. I think a more accurate statement is wind will be expanding when the owners see it fit. And or they see a future in it. Legal issues not withstanding hopefully they will expand.

CC I have asked you on many forums for a location of just 1 real, honest to goodness antenna, like the ones I see on the highways and such. Just 1 please.

[keyzink]

Gentlemen I can not see how this whole keep everything hush hush is going anywhere. CC let me understand you... they are building sites? They place antenna on roofs. So place the antenna on the roof and be done with it. Now exactly what are they not ready to do? Have holes in coverage? I know have a new crop of customers with billing issues? Honestly gents. kitwatuser You make a multitude of valid points, I agree there are very few that can run billion dollar company, but Vimpelcom can do it. They are in the top 10 of companies size wise, but not profit wise. I think a more accurate statement is wind will be expanding when the owners see it fit. And or they see a future in it. Legal issues not withstanding hopefully they will expand.

CC I have asked you on many forums for a location of just 1 real, honest to goodness antenna, like the ones I see on the highways and such. Just 1 please.

You do realize that it isn't as simple as placing antennas on rooftops right? The backhaul network has to be put in place, network tests need to be carried out and power levels have to be tuned. That takes time too.

[torontocolin]

The problem isn't building the antennas, it's getting the sites. Typically they will be strongly opposed by local communities.

Rooftop units are the exact same as normal towers. They use the same equipment, they just attach them in a different way. The reason they use them instead of towers is because it is much, much easier to install on the side of apartment buildings than building new towers. You don't need to buy land or get approval to build a tall structure, and people are less likely to notice (and thus less likely to complain). Whenever you're in an area where a building exists for a rooftop unit, it makes far more sense to use it than building your own tower.

That said, there are a few traditional towers built by Wind. I don't know any locations off-hand, but they're usually around the edges of suburbs where there aren't any apartment buildings.

[canadiancow]

Now exactly what are they not ready to do? Have holes in coverage?

It's one thing to have small holes that they didn't know about. It's quite another to launch, knowing you have a gap along King St from Victoria to Erb.

CC I have asked you on many forums for a location of just 1 real, honest to goodness antenna, like the ones I see on the highways and such. Just 1 please.

Well there's kitwatuser's:

So far, only the four "masts" have been installed - the antennae are coming a bit later, I'm told.
Location: It is not a tower, it is a rooftop installation at 175 Queen Street N, just south of Lancaster in Kitchener.

And there's this map of the Waterloo locations:

http://maps.google.ca/maps/ms?hl=en&...5743a64fa&z=13

[rockjock]

small holes? 2-3 bocks is a small hole? nice. Great Wind logic

As far as kitwatuser's report and your link they are yet again roof top units. I m not saying that a real tower is better or worse I am saying that the rooftop units have no commitment at all. They are in essence a month to month rental and that to me hints that they are not serious and are ready to pull up stakes. So much for plans for life.

It's one thing to have small holes that they didn't know about. It's quite another to launch, knowing you have a gap along King St from Victoria to Erb.



Well there's kitwatuser's:



And there's this map of the Waterloo locations:

http://maps.google.ca/maps/ms?hl=en&...5743a64fa&z=13

[403808]

I am saying that the rooftop units have no commitment at all. They are in essence a month to month rental and that to me hints that they are not serious and are ready to pull up stakes. So much for plans for life.

What an illogical statement. Why the h@ll would they put up a tower when they have the option of using a roof mount? Nobody would do that.

[rockjock]

403808 that is my point exactly my friend. Why put up a tower indeed so why no coverage? A tower would mean commitment. It would mean we are here to stay. It is like running a business out the back of a truck. Are you really sure the bloke will be there next week, next month ??? It slaps one in the face of logic.. they have no coverage because they need building permits, they need zoning bylaws etc.. and yet no where is it said implicitly it is WIND is the recipient of the tower. It is just assumed, conjecture of the windombies. But I agree with you.. build a tower and dish out 100's of thousands of dollars or share the space.. they chose to do neither so roof top units it is. Judging by the results when it rains and is cloudy perhaps a tower is a worthwhile investment? No tall buildings in kitchener? Now I find that hard to believe!

What an illogical statement. Why the h@ll would they put up a tower when they have the option of using a roof mount? Nobody would do that.

[Guest 268]

I am saying that the rooftop units have no commitment at all. They are in essence a month to month rental and that to me hints that they are not serious and are ready to pull up stakes. So much for plans for life.

I guess we had all better make contingency plans for when Bell, Telus and Rogers (and their flanker units) "pull up stakes".
They could do so any time, since all of them use rooftop units pretty much exclusively in the downtown areas.

Back to the landlines . . . . . Sigh . . . . .
Thanks for the heads-up, rj!

[mapleleafs89]

403808 that is my point exactly my friend. Why put up a tower indeed so why no coverage? A tower would mean commitment. It would mean we are here to stay. It is like running a business out the back of a truck. Are you really sure the bloke will be there next week, next month ??? It slaps one in the face of logic.. they have no coverage because they need building permits, they need zoning bylaws etc.. and yet no where is it said implicitly it is WIND is the recipient of the tower. It is just assumed, conjecture of the windombies. But I agree with you.. build a tower and dish out 100's of thousands of dollars or share the space.. they chose to do neither so roof top units it is. Judging by the results when it rains and is cloudy perhaps a tower is a worthwhile investment? No tall buildings in kitchener? Now I find that hard to believe!

Do you not remember the proposed towers that were shown on CTV? They were actual towers, so are you happy now?

Do you believe that they are now here to stay?

[Nobel1692]

When Wind will launch in Waterloo region, will they offer any great promotional plan? I have been living in Waterloo for a while and since this a still a Wind Away zone, I never had a chance to get any of their promotional plans they offered.