Motorola Droid Bionic "Targa" XT875 pre-release thread - Part 2

[jasaero]

That article is slightly more detailed than others I read. So, if I read that correctly, Motorola decided to delay release of Xoom LTE upgrades and the Droid Bionic in favor of producing their own LTE chipset rather than use the Qualcomm that pretty much everybody else uses. Hope it works well for them - really surprised that with how they continue to hurt in the profits arena that they decided to make such a decision. He's right, it's the better thing long-term for them to do but they're going to have to really start pushing hard to make up for lost sales over the coming months.

--Kidd

Interesting. This is the first I read about them doing their own LTE chip. Do they usually use their own CDMA or GSM chipsets also in that this could be one of the first integrated LTE chips also? Regardless this explains why they are late to LTE and also probably means they would have been late whether they tried a stopgap single core device or not. Trying to develop their own chip wasn't probably a great plan in a time to market perspective I suppose, unless of course they though they could beat Qualcomm and company to the punch on an LTE chipset.

This makes all the delays excusable in one respect, but kinda less so in another. I would say fully excusable if this internally developed chip set is more comparable to the second gen LTE stuff from outside, but far less excusable if it's nothing vastly different than they could have just acquired elsewhere. This is further explanation of why they are having trouble showing profits. It's great to have IP like this, but not sure it's a wonderful idea to try and build phones AND keep up with more dedicated specialized vendors of wireless chipsets? If it were a more stable and mature sector it might, but seems lifecycles in that realm are going to extremely short until LTE is a lot more mature.

I'm pretty much on the fence with this one. Ballzy in one respect, but not sure how smart it is overall. And I guess Jah is from Qualcomm and Moto probably does have the right staff for such a thing still. Guess we will see if they can keep up with Qualcomm and the others. If they can actually be ahead of the others it would be a huge deal.

[fone sex]

Those are some bold claims from Sanjay there. Sound very similar to the ones about the LTE tablet. We'll see if Bionic can preserve his word. Samsung has been holding their cards VERY close to the chest on the SGSII USA launches so far. Doubt they would be any more likely to let Sanjay in on their plans than they would the public interested in their wares.

EDIT: BTW, why was he also bragging about having 3-4 more post-Bionic/Xoom Dual-core LTE products by the end of the year for?? Kinda suggests he knows these first two aren't good enough. Seems like a waste of development moneys to push 5-6 six devices against around half that from Apple. 3 or 4 devices(Tablet, premium Slate phone, premium keyboarded(this is just for me, but not really needed), and affordable LTE) on VZW would be a plenty for LTE devices.

Are you sure you aren't a mole? Work for Samsung? HTC? Apple? ALL you've done since your first post around the Bionic is badmouth Motorola at every opportunity. Something doesn't smell right. If you despise Motorola and their business practices so much, stop buying/reading/commenting on them. Quite simple.

[jasaero]

The details say ONE new phone and at least TWO new tablets...that's pretty quick for another phone unless it isn't a Verizon phone.

Not exactly. It could be a Droid 4G or something that is kind of a sister device to Bionic with keyboard(I can wish). And if it's that plus Bionic and Xoom for a total of 5 LTE devices with one that will basically get replaced with the new tablets that's not too extreme.

I do still say though they need to scale things back to 3-4 phones and 2 tablets that are cross carrier/internationally branded like you have with iPhone and iPad or they had with the various RAZR incarnations. Droid branding with VZW is OK, but overtime I am pretty sure it will get soiled as they try too hard to exploit the branding and let to many junk phones in on the branding.

I'm all for a Bionic QWERTY or Droid 4G or something though.

[JaBr1884]

Just got a pretty well put together Droid branded book from Verizon today. It is stamped as Summer 2011 edition, but does not mention the Bionic, not even on the "comming soon" back cover where the Droid 3 was advertised. I'm sure it will still release in September though. Not very helpful but there you go.

[jasaero]

Are you sure you aren't a mole? Work for Samsung? HTC? Apple? ALL you've done since your first post around the Bionic is badmouth Motorola at every opportunity. Something doesn't smell right. If you despise Motorola and their business practices so much, stop buying/reading/commenting on them. Quite simple.

That wasn't bad mouthing at all. I'm actually impressed if you want to know the truth as this gave me more confidence they had good reason for the delay and were just f'ing thing up royally. It's much more difficult to develop a wireless chip set and phone than just design a phone around externally developed chip set. Unless you are massive conglomerate like Samsung that has independent entities that build and market chipsets somewhat indepently(I am not sure samsung does wireless radio chips though?).

I am more concerned with the financial aspects of being a company that really only generates revenue from consumer mobile devices while also trying to develop mobile chipset that are normally marketed by a dedicated firm to external entities(this includes samsung and their ARM products) rather than for 100% internal use.

I am actually a HUGE Motorola fan, but have found they are a company that can never maintain a position as a top player. A concerned fan. I was totally amazed at what they did with OG Droid, but then have been kinda scratching my head ever since. Somewhat impressed by what they pulled off with Atrix, but it wasn't really as nice a device overall as the Droid even though it's maybe faster. Then they are way late with Bionic. I think Bionic will be a nice device and WAY better than Atrix or what bionic WAS going to be, but it's still not a impactful as Droid was. I just have FAR higher standards I try to hold this USA based iPhone competitor too than you is all. Not sure if anyone here has taken a stroll through an american automaker forum, but they are MUCH more critical than this this Moto forum. I take that extreme critical standpoint as I want the only the best from them, nothing less. The smallest of weaknesses will always be amplified MASSIVELY if they are few, but do exist. Things are to competitive from foreign competition too excuse any weaknesses. Doesn't matter if the rest is better by a large degree.

[ronaldheld]

A Bionic with physical keyboard? Do we even have a codename for it?

[kingoanklebreak]

A Bionic with physical keyboard? Do we even have a codename for it?

No. It was just a guess about what the other devices might be.

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[Draimen]

If the Bionic was delayed due to, among other things, battery issues, it's a safe bet maybe Motorola is designing their own LTE chipset because that was the source of the battery issues? 4G is a battery killer, poorly designed chipsets cause more battery issues.

[Merican735]

The details say ONE new phone and at least TWO new tablets...that's pretty quick for another phone unless it isn't a Verizon phone.

I must be blind because I can't find were the article said that. I am not disagreeing, just cant find that info, would you please enlighten me.

[calla969]

"Jha declined to provide further details about the devices but said the company will have at least five 4G devices in the market by year's end, including two new tablets."

http://www.morningstar.co.uk/uk/mark...55144956169334

[ronaldheld]

Shouldn't the Bionic be Motorola and Verizon's highest end phone for a couple of quarters?

[Slaughtrr]

Shouldn't the Bionic be Motorola and Verizon's highest end phone for a couple of quarters?

If it would have released in May it would have been enjoying its time at the top. Now it may have only one day.

As to the release. I always knew it would never come in July or August. Not that I'm smart but I use a crystal ball named Winston. It never lets me down. People will never learn I swear lol.

[ronaldheld]

I am missing something. Which to be released phone from Motorola will be better than the Bionic before next year?

[dmaxfan]

If the Bionic was delayed due to, among other things, battery issues, it's a safe bet maybe Motorola is designing their own LTE chipset because that was the source of the battery issues? 4G is a battery killer, poorly designed chipsets cause more battery issues.

I'm interested in this as well. I can't wait to see the battery life compared to other not just LTE devices, but even the 3g.

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[Schmiggy_JK]

I am missing something. Which to be released phone from Motorola will be better than the Bionic before next year?

The Dinara is rumored for this winter.

And WTF is going on with this board/thread. Why the hell am I posting on page 50 and this thread shows 56 pages. Why can't/hasn't any one fixed this yet?