2g, 3g, 4g, 1xrtt, evdo, lte, etc... Debate!

[Bloodykiller86]

are you guys still arguing about how 1xRTT is "3G" lmao....i saw this like a week ago in another thread...ugh all us metro users care about is that hopefully we get EVDO and anything faster than 100kbps...sheesh....cuz its so damn slow......screw LTE i wish they wouldve put EVDO everywhere instead of that LTE crap lol...though i say that cuz i flash my phones to Metro lol..never have i used one of there crappy phones lol

[RallosZek]

You can deny it all you want but I have ITU website for proof and I will continue to cite it. Cite all you want. I will cite the ITU offiicial website. It shows I have the ITU on my side. Go fast or go home.

ITU's web site has many docs and pdfs listing 1x as 3g. Yes the speeds of 1x are slow by today's standards but we were not debating the fact 1x is slow, the debate is 1x a 3g network. As it stands for the past 12 years since its birth the answer is yes.

[soccerballtux]

their network is slow and I'm leaving by the end of the year if they haven't implemented EVDO.
1xRTT is not fast enough to be 3g.

[abecedarian]

Here's an analogy. You have an automobile built in 1925. Says it's a restored Model T Ford antique and it runs fine.


You need to drive it to another town for a show. YET, the interstate is for AUTOMOBILES. Not bicycles, not go-carts. There's no manufacture date requirement, so you are good to go, right? "I have an car. Therefore it can be driven on the interstate." Ah, but there's a catch. The MINIMUM speed for the interstate is 40mph. Your 1925 Model T Ford, while classified as an automobile, cannot be classified as an interstate-ready automobile because it can't hit and maintain that top speed.

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While it's true one could be cited for impeding the flow of traffic by driving a vehicle incapable of maintaning the "flow of traffic", there are no specific laws regarding "minimum" speed on the interstate system. Rather, what you find are laws regarding the size of the engine and thus indirectly referencing the ability of the vehicle to maintain speed and an ability to accelerate should the need arise. Case in point: California prohibits vehicles with an engine less than 250cc from operating on the highway... read as "freeway" since many highways are not strictly high-speed thoroughfares.

Anyhow, I don't get why some people equate xG with some speed. Are you forgetting what "G" stands for?

It's "Generation" if you care to know.
1G = Analog... IMTS, AMPS, some GPRS, some CDPD, etc.
2G = Digital... mostly channel based: GPRS, TDMA, some CDPD, GSM ("EDGE" is "3G" for some dumb reason) and the odd one- cdmaOne
3G = Digital... spread spectrum, a.k.a. CDMA2000 (1xRTT, EV-DO, etc.), WCDMA (UMTS, HSPA, etc.)
4G = Digital... spread spectrum... IP based: LTE, other similar technologies.

Speed has more to do with the frequency and air-interface than it does with "G", although newer "G" trends towards higher speeds. EV-DO actually had the easiest path for upgraded speed but it isn't "I.P." based thus couldn't compete favorably with LTE and other "4G" technologies.

In the end, the best you can ever hope for, regardless of the "G" you have, is how much backhaul the site has to its switch, and how much bandwidth is available for your use on it.

Not likely a site with a sole T1 and 20 users is going to give you the bandwidth a 4G connection is "theoretically" capable of.

And the Model-T you're exemplifying has an engine with more than 250cc's... and is 4G automotive (1G=horse-drawn, 2G=steam, 3G=diesel, 4G=gasoline).

[Danny24]

Bump...
Has anyone experienced 3G in the New york area recently?
I just updated my PRL on my Admire.

[allmanallpimp]

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at least the handle is right, scammer, ha ha... delete and ban such nonsense...

[ChazzMatt]

While it's true one could be cited for impeding the flow of traffic by driving a vehicle incapable of maintaning the "flow of traffic", there are no specific laws regarding "minimum" speed on the interstate system. Rather, what you find are laws regarding the size of the engine and thus indirectly referencing the ability of the vehicle to maintain speed and an ability to accelerate should the need arise. Case in point: California prohibits vehicles with an engine less than 250cc from operating on the highway... read as "freeway" since many highways are not strictly high-speed thoroughfares.

Anyhow, I don't get why some people equate xG with some speed. Are you forgetting what "G" stands for?

It's "Generation" if you care to know.
1G = Analog... IMTS, AMPS, some GPRS, some CDPD, etc.
2G = Digital... mostly channel based: GPRS, TDMA, some CDPD, GSM ("EDGE" is "3G" for some dumb reason) and the odd one- cdmaOne
3G = Digital... spread spectrum, a.k.a. CDMA2000 (1xRTT, EV-DO, etc.), WCDMA (UMTS, HSPA, etc.)
4G = Digital... spread spectrum... IP based: LTE, other similar technologies.

Speed has more to do with the frequency and air-interface than it does with "G", although newer "G" trends towards higher speeds. EV-DO actually had the easiest path for upgraded speed but it isn't "I.P." based thus couldn't compete favorably with LTE and other "4G" technologies.

In the end, the best you can ever hope for, regardless of the "G" you have, is how much backhaul the site has to its switch, and how much bandwidth is available for your use on it.

Not likely a site with a sole T1 and 20 users is going to give you the bandwidth a 4G connection is "theoretically" capable of.

And the Model-T you're exemplifying has an engine with more than 250cc's... and is 4G automotive (1G=horse-drawn, 2G=steam, 3G=diesel, 4G=gasoline).

1x has been demoted to 2G. In 1997 it was declared "3G" technology, but then in 2005 revised CDMA2000 standards a 3G minimum speed of 300k was stated in the guidelines to match 3G GSM EDGE. Thus, EVDO became the new "3G" standard for CDMA. 1x is not capable of that speed, so is not really 3G anymore. That's why the "2.5G" description for 1x became popular. 1x was stuck in no-man's land of not being 2G and no longer being capable of the revised 3G standards. 1x was "3G" but after 2005, got kicked to the curb by the speed guidelines.

Even Metro upgrading to EVDO but CAPPING speeds at 200k in some markets is not really meeting 3G standards.

[Pletua]

Well there goes metro now calling there 1x 3g, its all over there website under plans and in my dealer ASAP system. I wonder when they'll change that 1x icon to 3g lol, just like other carriers that boast about unlimited 3g speeds

[sniper1087]

Well there goes metro now calling there 1x 3g, its all over there website under plans and in my dealer ASAP system. I wonder when they'll change that 1x icon to 3g lol, just like other carriers that boast about unlimited 3g speeds

If you payed attentio their evdo network which is 3G on metro and the icon shows as 3G or EV are unthrottle now i have seen 3G of 1.4 mbps down so i dont know what yo tell you, but tgats how it is

[Pletua]

I know there is EV but those are in some markets. The other markets are still left with x1, I would understand if more than half there markets had EV/3g but only 20% do in order to help with high traffic.

I'm in the Boston market.

[hellojustinr]

I dont care what anyone says about whether 1x is 3G or not, it's horrible and no where near what a third generation data network should be delivering which was predicted to be around 1Mbps at the time it was developed. It is 2.5G at its final stage. In my area, 1x delivers only about 50-150kbps with a network latency of almost 900ms, that is way off.

CDMA EVDO is true 3G and what 3G was and is suppose to be. Consistent speeds of anywhere between 500kbps to 2Mbps and a low network latency for a cellular network (~200ms). MetroPCS's 3G EVDO network in my area have speeds of around 500Kbps-700Kbps at peak hours and 1Mbps-1.3Mbps during late horus. That's just in my area though, it's pretty impressive considering Sprint's 3G data network is sometimes even slower (they have a much larger mobile footprint though but still)