Motorola DROID RAZR XT912 Pre-Release Thread

[dmaxfan]

The two that I saw didn't look like that at all. Which is why I promptly returned my Bionic, well one of the reasons.

Great news. Thank you.

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[huskerkate]

EASY trade-off to make for the level of encryption that this beast supports!

BTW, the whole reason for wanting unlocked bootloaders is to simplify and accelerate subsequent AOSP releases unbloated onto a device. If all devices are going to be locked I am definitely going to prefer the devices closest to bone stock android as possible so that google releases hit it faster. If all updates were like Froyo to Gingerbread I wouldn't much care, but some are along the lines of this ICS update. Moto has added some hardware accel to Blur,but ICS will be 100% hardware accelerated, make better use of dual core for java garbage, and probably various other UI enhancement things we will have to wait MONTHS for to hit the RAZR. Unless of course Moto plans to forgo all the battery and other low level OS tweaks they now have built into gingerbread but will be working months to build into ICS.

If the bootloader was unlocked though I could just wait until ICS hits AOSP and get a developer build loaded on my new RAZR toy which hardware wise I probably do prefer a bit to what the Nexus will be. That's not gonna happen though, so Nexus it is!! Also, there is a chance Google is forcing Nexus to be unlockable in some way for developer use.

I expect Moto to be speedy with getting ICS onto RAZR, but speedy is a relative thing when we are talking stock android and their heavily modded android version. I would consider before the end of the year amazing, but possible. Before the end of first quarter next year as more likely. At one point I was willing to wait this long for ICS, but the more I hear the less I am willing to wait for ICS. Unlocked bootloader option of some kind and I would have been in though.

i think the RAZR BL is locked because of what rkeller said - the encryption features. why does the RAZR have those? imo, it's to go after RIM's market share and attract more business users, for whom encryption and security are more important. i don't think Moto/vzw can allow the BL to be unlocked, and still tout this device as a secure device for business uses.

[jasaero]

i think the RAZR BL is locked because of what rkeller said - the encryption features. why does the RAZR have those? imo, it's to go after RIM's market share and attract more business users, for whom encryption and security are more important. i don't think Moto/vzw can allow the BL to be unlocked, and still tout this device as a secure device for business uses.

I tend to think "where there is a will there's a way" on such matters. I think the device could come locked and have a unlock utility that could be used to get it unlocked and still comply to all the security features for the locked device. As long as there is a complete and total wipe of the device while unlocking it and disclaimer that many of the security features are rendered less secure by doing the unlock I don't see why it couldn't be done. I'm not up on all eFuse and other TI security flashing protection and such, but I HIGHLY doubt it's setup to be 100% IMPOSSIBLE to replace a signed encrypted BL with an unsigned unlockable one. They may be aspects about the tech that mean you don't really want to make this whole process of replacing them a well understood open process or the locked ones signatures and security could probably be compromised for all devices, but if Moto/VZW was interested in unlocking phones that are 100% secure for those that wanted them to remain that way I am sure they could without compromising security for anyone other than those OK with doing so.

I am REALLY hoping the Nexus proves this also by being a very security minded device that can also be unlocked. If'n it breaks HD Netflix or something in the process, SO BE IT. Stuff like this is probably why HD Netflix, HD Amazon, and other stuff do not exist yet on standard Windows PC's as yet. We'll see I guess, but I am still hoping the Nexus is unlockable.

[Susurro]

Seriously? THAT made up statistic again? Care to document that nonsense, or just admit you pulled that out of your as$?

I guess we'll see. If everyone wants Blur so bad, how come Moto phones have sold so poorly after the OG Droid? This will be the first Nexus device that releases on a carrier with more than 14 subscribers. I bet there are a lot more of us out there than you think.

If everyone wants a stock device so bad why don't those sell better? Now of the OEMs do Nexus devices for sales, they do them for early access to software. The sales don't justify the expense.
Oh, and isn't the last Nexus device on AT&T. They have more than 14 subscribers.
Samsung has sold a ton more Galaxy phones (with TouchWiz) than all the Nexus phones combined (plus an order of magnitude).

As the the 90% number, I have seen marketing numbers that suggest it is more like 99% don't care. Can't share it, but you might be able to create a number you like. Figure how many Android phones have been activated this year. Than add up the total number of custom ROMs and Updates downloaded from the blogs, and you should have a reasonable estimation of the percentage.


Oh, and the Droid X sold really well. Actually the Droid 3 has even done well (way beyond expectations).

[jasaero]

If everyone wants a stock device so bad why don't those sell better? Now of the OEMs do Nexus devices for sales, they do them for early access to software. The sales don't justify the expense.
Oh, and isn't the last Nexus device on AT&T. They have more than 14 subscribers.
Samsung has sold a ton more Galaxy phones (with TouchWiz) than all the Nexus phones combined (plus an order of magnitude).

As the the 90% number, I have seen marketing numbers that suggest it is more like 99% don't care. Can't share it, but you might be able to create a number you like. Figure how many Android phones have been activated this year. Than add up the total number of custom ROMs and Updates downloaded from the blogs, and you should have a reasonable estimation of the percentage.


Oh, and the Droid X sold really well. Actually the Droid 3 has even done well (way beyond expectations).

Show me a well marketed, stock device, with the latest version of android that did badly. Only one exists and we know which one that was. Hasn't been tried since. Unless you consider Nexus marketing "Well Marketed". Most peeps haven't clue what it is, but they see ten DROID commercials everytime they watch a football game.

[Ark6]

Show me a well marketed, stock device, with the latest version of android that did badly. Only one exists and we know which one that was. Hasn't been tried since. Unless you consider Nexus marketing "Well Marketed". Most peeps haven't clue what it is, but they see ten DROID commercials everytime they watch a football game.

The only stock device that did well is the droid. The G1 didn't set charts ablaze like the droid did, and it didn't even come close.

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[dmaxfan]

I'd have to agree 99 out of 100 people think gingerbread and ics is food. The majority of people want something pretty and easy. The gs2 was that. It was a lot like ios and people liked it. The new nexus will sell well, due to specs like a 4.65" 720p screen and pressure sensitive bezel. The original droid sold well, because it was vzw answer to the iPhone. This is just my opinion
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[Schmiggy_JK]

If you were to buy the Razr from a 3rd party vendor with a contract upgrade how does the grandfathering-in of your current unlimited data work out?

Does it just happen automatically in Verizon's back end? As when you buy on most sites you have to select a capped contract when you do an upgrade.

Also, which sites/vendors (Walmart, Bestbuy, Costco, Newegg, etc) let you use NE2 discounts?

[Ark6]

So with the phone official and all, how long til ics comes to razr?

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[BustRAZR]

If everyone wants a stock device so bad why don't those sell better?

Ever heard of the Motorola DROID?

Now of the OEMs do Nexus devices for sales, they do them for early access to software. The sales don't justify the expense.
Oh, and isn't the last Nexus device on AT&T. They have more than 14 subscribers.
Samsung has sold a ton more Galaxy phones (with TouchWiz) than all the Nexus phones combined (plus an order of magnitude).

As the the 90% number, I have seen marketing numbers that suggest it is more like 99% don't care. Can't share it, but you might be able to create a number you like. Figure how many Android phones have been activated this year. Than add up the total number of custom ROMs and Updates downloaded from the blogs, and you should have a reasonable estimation of the percentage.


Oh, and the Droid X sold really well. Actually the Droid 3 has even done well (way beyond expectations).

Both previous versions of the Nexus only launched on T-Mobile. I'm prepared to eat my words if I'm proven wrong, but I think you're all underestimating the demand for a device like the Galaxy Nexus on VZW.

[BustRAZR]

So with the phone official and all, how long til ics comes to razr?

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Good luck with that. Moto will just tell you that their version of Gingerbread is just as good. You want ICS, you better wait until the real deal tonight (82 minutes).

The RAZR won't ever see ICS.

[rkeller62]

Good luck with that. Moto will just tell you that their version of Gingerbread is just as good. You want ICS, you better wait until the real deal tonight (82 minutes).

The RAZR won't ever see ICS.

Where are you getting that from? Virtually Motorola's entire lineup, minus the OG Droid, has been upgraded to Gingerbread. Only a matter of time before ICS starts hitting Motorola devices.

Time to troll elsewhere me thinks...

[dmaxfan]

What is superamoled advanced qhd as apposed to the nexus superamoled hd. I know the nexus is 720p, but what is saaqhd

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[jasaero]

The only stock device that did well is the droid. The G1 didn't set charts ablaze like the droid did, and it didn't even come close.

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None have been marketed like the OG Droid and other non Vanilla devices was my point. Android devices sell really well, but I would say they would sell even better if they were all stock and the same experience with manufacturers only offering proprietary apps on their devices.

[jroc74]

Where are you getting that from? Virtually Motorola's entire lineup, minus the OG Droid, has been upgraded to Gingerbread. Only a matter of time before ICS starts hitting Motorola devices.

Time to troll elsewhere me thinks...

Really...lol. How about the Droid X1 and Droid 2 got GB before a few other phones....including at least one with stock Android. And fone sex & Susurro said it best about marketing, the Droid name and ROMs. The marketing alone will have it outselling the Prime, unless the Prime is associated with the GS2. It will be interesting then. And he must have known that after the Droid 1, the Droid X1 was the 2nd most popular phone on Verizon and was in the top 5 phones sold the beginning of this year if this list is in order:

https://www.npd.com/wps/portal/npd/u...ases/pr_110428

If not in order, the Droid X1 was still in the top 5 phones sold earlier this year. So much for Moto phones without stock Android not selling well...lol And I heard good things about the D3 sales.

And lol@ppl thinking stock Android is why the Droid 1 was so popular. I think he's under estimating how lil we on forums drive phone sales. Marketing plays a big part. I suggest he reads a few of the post on the last 2 pages a lil more.