Motorola Droid 4 "Maserati" Pre-Release Thread

[jo_Ny]

Oops. My bad. I'm a nidiot!

But you make a good point.
Sometimes you don't want to reset; you just want to kill all power to the phone ASAP as a damage control measure. Those are two different needs that arise from different situations.


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Fogive my ignorance, but in what situation would you want to kill your phone asap as a damage control measure?

[TC_Mits]

Fogive my ignorance, but in what situation would you want to kill your phone asap as a damage control measure?

A minor spill.

http://www.howardforums.com/showthre...Wet-Cell-Phone

From the HoFo thread linked above:

"3. Remove the battery. This is one of the most important steps. Don't take time to think about it; electricity and water do not mix. Cutting power to your phone is a crucial first step in saving it. ..."

Another reason might be overheating, for any reason. If your phone is hot, that heat is somehow coming from its only power source - the battery.

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[Dakota]

I think more people have good sense than you are giving them credit for here.
Unfortunately, too many folks are going to buy and use a D4 for over two weeks before they learn that the battery doesn't come out.

Yeah, the non-removable battery has relegated all of the Apple mobile devices to the backwater of market share! "Most people" don't give a rat's *** about the battery.

if you accept, as most people do, the premise that profit is a corporation's sole purpose. ..

Unless you're including non-profits in your generalization, corporations that don't make a profit don't last very long. But, actually, a corporation's primary purpose is shareholder return on investment. From your sig, I surmise you may think this is evil, but,...

[jo_Ny]

A minor spill.

http://www.howardforums.com/showthre...Wet-Cell-Phone

From the HoFo thread linked above:

"3. Remove the battery. This is one of the most important steps. Don't take time to think about it; electricity and water do not mix. Cutting power to your phone is a crucial first step in saving it. ..."

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I see. So that's why the razr has that water resisting coating and splash guard protection.

[HardBall]

I see. So that's why the razr has that water resisting coating and splash guard protection.

If I remember correctly, they it was said to be 'resistent' but not 'water proof', which is a big difference. Its probably not going to stand up like a panasonic touchbook, or even droid defy against some significant spillage, or at least no one is going to buy a brand new razor and test tye theory out. Removing the batter is buy far the more reliable way of getting rid of that risk at all, as soon as water is spilled, and takes only a second or 2, with a practiced hand, usually well before the water seeps far enough through the face plates and the screen to reach the logic boards, the inductors, or any other electrical component (assuming a spill from the front, which is the vast majority of the cases).


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[HardBall]

Yeah, the non-removable battery has relegated all of the Apple mobile devices to the backwater of market share! "Most people" don't give a rat's *** about the battery.

Unless you're including non-profits in your generalization, corporations that don't make a profit don't last very long. But, actually, a corporation's primary purpose is shareholder return on investment. From your sig, I surmise you may think this is evil, but,...

That may be true, the set of people scraming for the keyboard is likely a minority, and those who absolutely need removable battery is probably even a smaller minority.

Taking the intersection of these two groups and u will get a small group indeed. And because of this, we may not be seeing phones with both features such as the droid3 on the market much longer. But I guess most of us who care intensely about the OG droid line will rue the day that it happens, since this will force us to significantly change the way we use our phones.

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[TC_Mits]

I see. So that's why the razr has that water resisting coating and splash guard protection.

You got it. The single sheet molded keyboard fone sex described at the start of this thread probably derives from the same concerns. Those would be good additions for any phone, but up to now weren't worth the extra cost. Since a water-shorted phone could potentially even catch fire, they now become a practical legal necessity.

To me, the contortions required to achieve a truly minuscule reduction in girth approach the insane in the case of the D4.

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[TC_Mits]

Yeah, the non-removable battery has relegated all of the Apple mobile devices to the backwater of market share! "Most people" don't give a rat's *** about the battery.

I did not use the words: 'most people' in the context in which you quote them here. You are reacting to something other than my expressed intent.

Unless you're including non-profits in your generalization, corporations that don't make a profit don't last very long. But, actually, a corporation's primary purpose is shareholder return on investment. From your sig, I surmise you may think this is evil, but,...

Your surmise is an oversimplification - and a bit off-topic. But to respond in kind:

I believe in free-enterprise and a fair profit in a properly regulated economy. I do not support true laissez faire unbridled greed. The corporate entity must profit to survive, agreed. But that ought not be its "sole purpose." It must provide a benefit to society and act responsibly also toward its consumers, irrespective of its shareholders.

The throttling of the 'Philadelphia experiment' is, for me, one indication that vzw may not agree with my position on this.


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[RoninEdge]

The only thing that matters to me about the non-removable battery is whether there's enough charge to get through a typical day of (my) use.

As far as dunking your phone in water, that's what phone insurance is for. (As well as dropping it onto concrete, or losing it on a trip, or any of the other many bad things that can happen...)

[TC_Mits]

The only thing that matters to me about the non-removable battery is whether there's enough charge to get through a typical day of (my) use.

With LTE phones that has been hit or miss. Some people have had few problems and others, like me, have paid $35 to return phones due to inadequate battery life.

When I got the extended battery for my LG VX9800, I was thinking of it more as backup for an atypical day.

As far as dunking your phone in water, that's what phone insurance is for. (As well as dropping it onto concrete, or losing it on a trip, or any of the other many bad things that can happen...)

"Total Equipment Coverage" costs $84 per year and smartphones have a $100 deductable. Then they ship you a clean used replacement. I don't use it.
If you ever do use your coverage on the D4, I recommend asking if the 'new' one also has a NEW battery.

I have saved a wet phone by removing the battery. For me it was less hassle. And the best thing - I didn't lose - or have to restore - any settings or data!


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[WaltA]

With LTE phones that has been hit or miss. Some people have had few problems and others, like me, have paid $35 to return phones due to inadequate battery life.

The rumor mill had, several months ago, that the first combination CDMA/LTE/GSM radios would be 28nm, and that LTE power draw will be substantially less with the 28nm radios. It was also estimated that the 28nm radios would not be in production until the middle of 2012.

Since the D4 has the first combination CDMA/LTE/GSM radio, I have to ask, is it 28nm? If it is, then battery life would not be a problem.

[TC_Mits]

TC Mitts, your level of OCD hysteria is getting outta control as this release approaches...Relax. I recommend adding more awesome signatures if necessary Muah

Edit: @roninedge
(misread rodgelodge as same poster, sorry)
And I see your simplistic dismissal of what will be valid concerns to lots of curious onlurkers as shallow and poorly thought out. But, hey!, it's a forum, in - for a little while yet, anyway - a still free America. So you keep it coming. It's all good.

@RodgeLodge:
I will consider what you have said. There may be a better way...

Btw, hope you're right about the release. I'm not so sure the Feb date won't prove out.

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[TC_Mits]

...
Since the D4 has the first combination CDMA/LTE/GSM radio, I have to ask, is it 28nm? ...

Ditto.

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[ganjadude]

It seems that at least for Motorola, their goal is RAZR thinness. To reach that, it seems they are sacrificing the battery's housing. Motorola's solution for a non-replaceable internal dead battery, is an auxiliary external power pack. They are offering one for the Droid RAZR, and I bet D4 too, on the Motorola website.

Its funny you mention the external bat. pack. My D2, the batt does not work, but if the phone is plugged in, it works for the most part, cuts every now and again. I wasnt going to spend 50 bucks on a new bat when i knew i was going to upgrade to either the d4 or the nexus (which after playing with last night im thinking i might be able to do without a real keyboard on this phone) so i found one at macys. its a sharper image brand, and a full charge lasts about 8 hours, it even has a bright LED flashlight (only thing is cant use it for power while using flashlight for some strange reason.)

so i got a spare bat, that is good for all phones, for 22 bucks at macys instead of a real bat for 5o from verizon. It is well worth the few bucks especially with the LTE power drain i keep hearing about

[reybie]

Its funny you mention the external bat. pack. My D2, the batt does not work, but if the phone is plugged in, it works for the most part, cuts every now and again. I wasnt going to spend 50 bucks on a new bat when i knew i was going to upgrade to either the d4 or the nexus (which after playing with last night im thinking i might be able to do without a real keyboard on this phone) so i found one at macys. its a sharper image brand, and a full charge lasts about 8 hours, it even has a bright LED flashlight (only thing is cant use it for power while using flashlight for some strange reason.)

so i got a spare bat, that is good for all phones, for 22 bucks at macys instead of a real bat for 5o from verizon. It is well worth the few bucks especially with the LTE power drain i keep hearing about

ganjadude, got a link to that external battery pack? I'm curious.