With your logic, it should be the last device on the best selling smartphone list. It's 1 cents because AT&T can recoup the cost over the 2 year contract.
With my logic, it should be the number 1 selling phone as it's the cheapest and fairly advanced. You seem to be equating high sales numbers with high profitability from the sale of the device. It's not likely to be the case, not directly. What you're describing is usually called the "loss leader" - selling the device at a loss hoping that it will drive consumer spending on other items and services, eventually recouping the cost. The customer eventually becomes profitable, but the device is still sold at a loss. I believe that was the discussion I was responding to.
What I and others are saying is that it isn't clear why ATT has such a supply of older phones. Either they committed to certain quantities, and now have to move them at any price, or the "loss leader" strategy was the plan all along to attract as many customers as possible at different device levels. Given the iPhone costs, this gamble can be taken on by companies with very deep pockets. Sprint results are showing that very clearly, especially the danger of overestimating. It's pretty clear that USCC's pockets are not as deep, and they pick and choose which initiative to focus on (ie invest and wait to recoup costs) at any given time. This time it's LTE, and I would agree that it's more important than to offer another device that (by now) everyone else is offering. In 12 months LTE will be a requirement to be competitive in wireless. The iPhone itself, however great it is believed to be, is not a differentiator for carriers or their brands.
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AT&T has old iPhones to put more data plans on family plan lines and bump up the ARPU with a bunch of a relatively light users.
I think Apple will be loosening up it's requirements even more, as they want to be everywhere. I do believe that Android would still be a niche product if Apple had put the original iPhone on almost every carrier. What fueled Android was Verizon needing a competitor, so they pumped a lot into it. They now have a similar situation needing a good system to put on LTE.
I've had both, and they both have their ups and downs. AT&T works the best for me, so that sort of pushed me into the iPhone (AT&T's Android line-up kind of sucks), but I'd definitely be on Android on USCC or Verizon LTE (since no iPhone exists yet for either network).
It might sound arrogant, since I have an iPhone, but I think USCC made the right choice going LTE instead of the iPhone, and that LTE map in Maine is f'ing impressive.
I usually support government regulation, but It is unfortunate that the government over-regulated and killed the AT&T/ T-Mobile Merger The best explanation of the pricing nutiness in the industry. Why Sprint and T-Mo will always suck.
The only way to end the pricing insanity is to eliminate contracts and subsidies.
I want Wifi calling on AT&T. If you text while driving, you're an idiot. End of story.
Sprint won't recover because it is an endless loop. Apple brings out the next gen Iphone and it starts all over again. US Cellular sees what is going on and unless Apple changes their price/terms,US Cell will never get the Iphone.
This argument makes no sense. you get an iphone and then they come out with a new one thats why us cell wont do it? Well blackberry had the Curve, Then They had the curve 2, then they had the 9330 then they had the curve 3. Thats four generations and they have sold just fine. Same thing with the Galaxy s and s 2. Tour to the bold (Awesome example seeing as only difference is basically track ball). Scoop, Banter, Banter Touch? I can go on and on. That makes no sense as to why they wouldn't get the iphone.
Bought a tour used thought i would never get a new phone. Bought a desire and got it activated to see if i liked it. Needless to say. i sold the tour
This argument makes no sense. you get an iphone and then they come out with a new one thats why us cell wont do it? Well blackberry had the Curve, Then They had the curve 2, then they had the 9330 then they had the curve 3. Thats four generations and they have sold just fine. Same thing with the Galaxy s and s 2. Tour to the bold (Awesome example seeing as only difference is basically track ball). Scoop, Banter, Banter Touch? I can go on and on. That makes no sense as to why they wouldn't get the iphone.
Perhaps this is because the other manufactures don't make the carriers agree to insane terms for a new phone. Last I checked Sprint had to take out a loan for the iPhone, and the iPhone only. Not for a new Blackberry, or a Samsung, HTC, Kyocera, LG...just for the iPhone. It's like a binge and purge cycle.
This argument makes no sense. you get an iphone and then they come out with a new one thats why us cell wont do it? Well blackberry had the Curve, Then They had the curve 2, then they had the 9330 then they had the curve 3. Thats four generations and they have sold just fine. Same thing with the Galaxy s and s 2. Tour to the bold (Awesome example seeing as only difference is basically track ball). Scoop, Banter, Banter Touch? I can go on and on. That makes no sense as to why they wouldn't get the iphone.
The subsidy is the biggest reason I could see. USCC would probably need increase their ETFs before they could offer the iPhone.
Whether or not USCC gets the iPhone is rather irrelevant, I think. The real problem is that they have to do something to keep people interested. Whether that's an iPhone or a better variety of Android phones doesn't matter a ton, I don't think. But they can't continue to always be one or two generations behind in their phone offerings. The fact that the freakin Droid Charge equivalent is going to be one of their flagship LTE phones shows how desperately behind they are. They would probably be better off from a cost perspective to focus on modernizing what they have than to carry a whole new thing like the iPhone.
And one other thing people don't seem to be thinking about much - there's not any evidence that USCC has given up on the iPhone entirely, unless there's been more news I haven't noticed. They could easily just be holding out for the iPhone 5. They're putting a lot of effort into playing catch-up with LTE and to spend the money and time on acquiring the iPhone when it isn't even an LTE phone really seems like a step backward.
Whether or not USCC gets the iPhone is rather irrelevant, I think. The real problem is that they have to do something to keep people interested. Whether that's an iPhone or a better variety of Android phones doesn't matter a ton, I don't think. But they can't continue to always be one or two generations behind in their phone offerings. The fact that the freakin Droid Charge equivalent is going to be one of their flagship LTE phones shows how desperately behind they are. They would probably be better off from a cost perspective to focus on modernizing what they have than to carry a whole new thing like the iPhone.
And one other thing people don't seem to be thinking about much - there's not any evidence that USCC has given up on the iPhone entirely, unless there's been more news I haven't noticed. They could easily just be holding out for the iPhone 5. They're putting a lot of effort into playing catch-up with LTE and to spend the money and time on acquiring the iPhone when it isn't even an LTE phone really seems like a step backward.
I definitely think their still going for an iPhone still... i dont know if they'll get it but im sure they'd need to up their ETFs or increase something to get it. Still if they do get it, i am sure it would be released elsewhere 3 or 4 months sooner.
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Originally Posted by freibrauer
I definitely think their still going for an iPhone still... i dont know if they'll get it but im sure they'd need to up their ETFs or increase something to get it. Still if they do get it, i am sure it would be released elsewhere 3 or 4 months sooner.
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It would probably come on the next refresh cycle like Sprint, and C-Spire (almost). I doubt USCC is big enough of a deal for Apple to get a whole big announcement like Verizon.
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They're putting a lot of effort into playing catch-up with LTE and to spend the money and time on acquiring the iPhone when it isn't even an LTE phone really seems like a step backward.
But don't forget they are super excited to release the galaxy sII and it's just 3G. If that's why they can't seem to carry the iPhone then they like double talking.
But don't forget they are super excited to release the galaxy sII and it's just 3G. If that's why they can't seem to carry the iPhone then they like double talking.
To be fair there is no 4G varient of the S2 that works on USCCs network and Samsung doesn't place the harsh sales restrictions on a provider that Apple seems to.
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