Pay Your Way + Voip.ms = Free Unlimited Incoming + Cheap Outgoing

[djino]

This setup would be ideal for those who do not need data but want better value than whats offered from WIND's Clever and Smart plans.

As you may have heard, WIND is throwing in free Unlimited incoming calling when signing up under Pay your Way (before October 31st). I'd say this is an amazing deal. Now all that's left to have a normal cellular experience is a few calling features, text messaging, and cheap Outgoing calling.

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As part of Pay Your Way, WIND throws in Call Control features, but whats missing is voicemail. I'd say your best bet would be to add the Optional $5 Voice mail Add on.

Incoming SMS is also included in Pay Your Way, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to also include the $5 Text Messaging add-on for us to have unlimited outgoing text.

Unlimited Incoming Calls (Check). All calling features (Check), Unlimited SMS (Check). This brings us to $10/month.

Now all that is missing is cheap outgoing calls. Let's face it, WIND's 20 cents/minute on all calls sorta kills the deal. Though with WIND throwing in free unlmited incoming, we can use third party services such as voip.ms to take advantage of cheaper outgoing rates to combine with the Pay Your Way service.

As you may already know, voip.ms is a voip service provider that offers cheap phone numbers and termination rates around the globe. Signing up for their service doesn't mean the need to purchase hardware or install some sort of application on our phone/computer. Everything can be setup and configured from their Online portal which is all we need to configure Voip.ms's callback service. This allows voip.ms clients to call their voip.ms phone number, which will return a busy signal and Voip.ms then calls back to allow you to place outbound calls at their normal termination rates.

To set this up, we would need to purchase a phone number (DID) from voip.ms which can be had in most areas of Canada for 99 cents/month. You'd then setup the callback service to call your WIND number back anytime a call is placed from your WIND phone to your DID. That's all there is too it for Voip.ms (besides the termination rates which we will get into).

As you will see from looking at the termination rates on voip.ms, calls to most places in Canada cost just 0.52 cents/minute. You should also note, voip.ms charges in 6 second increments, so you are never charged for a full minute of a call if you haven't used a full minute. It just rounds up to the closest 6 second interval and charges you based on that. If you place a 28 second call to someone in BC, Voip.ms rounds it to 30 seconds and charges you 0.26 cents for that call.

So how does this setup work and what will Voip.ms charge me:

If I want to place an outbound call from my WIND Phone. I would first call my Voip.ms phone number (DID). Voip.ms would return a busy signal (WIND does not charge for the call - I at least hope they don't charge for busy signals). Voip.ms then attempts to call you back. With your WIND Unlimited incoming service, you'd pick up the call, Voip.ms presents you with a dial tone to place your outbound call. You dial your party, and you are connected.

Now I did mention above that most areas in Canada only cost 0.52 cents/minute. But in using this with Voip's callback service, we will have to double this rate to 1.04 cents/minute. Here's why: When you call your Voip.ms DID to trigger Callback, Voip.ms has to place an outbound call to your WIND Number + Voip.ms has to connect you with your outgoing contact. This is considered to be placing 2 outbound calls at the same time which means we'd have to double the rate. NOTE: Calls to toll-free numbers/other voip.ms numbers are free.

Monthly charges for this setup:
$0 - WIND Unlimited Incoming
$0 - WIND Call Control features
$5 - WIND Voicemail (Optional)
$5 - WIND Unlimited SMS (Optional)
$0.99 - Voip.ms DID
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$10.99/month

Outgoing per call charges:
$0 - WIND Phone calling Voip.ms DID
$0.0052 - Voip.ms Outgoing (Voip.ms Callback service to your WIND Number)
$0.0052 - Voip.ms Outgoing (Voip.ms outbound call within Canada)
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$0.0104 (or 1.04 cents)/minute on outgoing calls charged in intervals of 6 seconds.


I won't be taking advantage of this setup since I need data and I have my Irresistible Plan, but I'm sure this could be useful for many WIND clients.

djino

[chigglet]

this is ideal for people like me who do runs and stuff.

[djino]

Step 1. Activate your WIND Pay your Way service (make sure the WIND Rep adds the free Unlimited Incoming).
- I'd also add the optional $5 Voicemail Add-on
- I'd also add the optional $5 Text Add-on.

Step 2. Sign up on voip.ms
- Its free to sign up, but a free account is only good for configuring SIP hardware/software for placing outgoing calls to toll-free numbers and other voip.ms phone numbers (DIDs)
- Doing anything useful with voip.ms will cost money (including purchasing a phone number which we will need to do for this setup) so you will need to TOP UP your account. The minimum top up amount is $25 USD.

Step 3. Top up a minimum of $25 or more.
- After login into voip.ms, select the "Finances" TAB -> Add Funds
- You can top up via Paypal, Visa, Mastercard, American Express, and Western Union.
- You can top up anywhere from $25 to $500.
- Transaction amount is in US Dollars and taxes will be added.

Step 4. Purchase a phone number (DID)
- Click the "DID Numbers" Menu -> Order DID.
- Select Canada
- Select a Province
- Select a City/Town
- Choose a phone number by placing a check mark beside it
- Scroll down to the bottom, make sure your plan is on Per Minute Inbound.
- From the DID POP section, select a city closest to you (even if its in the U.S.)
- CHARGES: There will be a one time 50 cent setup fee, and your first month of service ($0.99/month) will be deducted from your Top up balance as you confirm your order

Step 5. Setup Callback service
- Click "DID Number" tab and select "Callback"
- Under "Number to Call" enter your WIND Phone Number
- Under "CallerID Number" enter your WIND Phone Number
- Click "Create Entry

Step 6. Place Callback service on DID
- Click "DID Number" tab and select "Manage DIDs"
- Place Check mark next to the Voip.ms phone number and click "Edit Selection"
- Under Routing, select "Callback"
- Apply changes at the bottom.

You are done!

To place an outbound call from your WIND Phone
- Call your Voip.ms DID
- You will hear a busy signal. Hang Up!!
- Voip.ms will call your WIND Phone back
- PICK UP THE PHONE!
- You will hear a dial tone.
- Dial your 10 or 11 digit number

That is it!

djino

[droidacolyte]

Not interested in doing this but out of curiosity what is the voip.ms call quality like when you call from your cell phone? Is it comparable to using Skype? Comparable quality to making a regular call with a cell phone? I don't find Skype or Line 2 (I had both apps on my phone) reliable enough. Voip.ms doesn't use a Wi-Fi/3G app (any cellphone can call via voip.ms. Don't need a smartphone app). It uses a different sort of setup so I'm curious.

[LittleStone]

If you use voip.ms, you may also use its voicemail that comes with the account instead of Wind's.

In voip.ms, 1. create voicemail, 2. set up the DID directly to your voicemail, 3. set up call filter to redirect calls from your cell to call back.

Set up conditional redirect on your phone to divert calls to your voip.ms DID.

I also set up my voicemail to forward to my gmail, and created a rule in gmail to send an SMS using this method http://www.howardforums.com/showthre...MS-via-Twitter

Yes, it's a very time consuming, complicated, and not 100% working setup. I did it just for fun (and it seems working nicely for me saving me a few bucks a month)

[djino]

If you use voip.ms, you may also use its voicemail that comes with the account instead of Wind's.

In voip.ms, 1. create voicemail, 2. set up the DID directly to your voicemail, 3. set up call filter to redirect calls from your cell to call back.

Set up conditional redirect on your phone to divert calls to your voip.ms DID.

I also set up my voicemail to forward to my gmail, and created a rule in gmail to send an SMS using this method http://www.howardforums.com/showthre...MS-via-Twitter

Yes, it's a very time consuming, complicated, and not 100% working setup. I did it just for fun (and it seems working nicely for me saving me a few bucks a month)

It would not make sense to use Voip.ms's voicemail. As you'd need to then setup conditional call forwarding on your WIND Number to forward to voip.ms DID on no answer, busy, etc. Whenever the event should occur where you don't answer (you don't pick up an incoming call for whatever reason), WIND will charge you 20 cents/minute for forwarding the call to voip.ms's Voicemail .

With the above setup, as soon as 25 minutes of voicemails (OR just 25 voicemails) or more, WIND has already decreased your Pay Your Way balance by $5 (and Voip.ms has already deducted at least 25 cents on the incoming call to the DID). Remember, people wouldn't even need to leave voicemail. If they attempt to call you where your phone is off, or you let the phone ring to no answer, or you were on a call and didn't pick up the other line, all these events trigger forwarding to voicemail, even if the caller just hangs up and doesn't leave a message. WIND deducts 20 cents for such an event which I'm sure has a high probability of occurring.

Maybe the majority would not receive so many voicemail in a months time, and if that is the case, then using Voip.ms's VOICEMAIL setup is ideal. I'd rather just add WIND's $5 Voicemail and not have to worry about the potential of people leaving me so many voice mails/I don't answer an incoming call, that my Pay Your Way balance drops much more than what I expected.

djino

[Mr Mystery]

this is ideal for people like me who do runs and stuff.

LOL, make a run over here


JK

[xtachx]

I don't get it. The thing djino mentions - is $7 Ish on TELUS. There is a $7 addon in telus for unlimited one number. Make this your Voip.ms did and set up call forwarding and there you go. Why would people try this on wind

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[djino]

I don't get it. The thing djino mentions - is $7 Ish on TELUS. There is a $7 addon in telus for unlimited one number. Make this your Voip.ms did and set up call forwarding and there you go. Why would people try this on wind

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I'm not sure what you mean. "The thing djino mentions is $7 Ish on Telus", what thing are you referring too?

This setup is not about being able to call 1 number an unlimited amount of times. Sorry, I guess I'm lost on what you are trying to say.

djino

[droidacolyte]

I don't get it. The thing djino mentions - is $7 Ish on TELUS. There is a $7 addon in telus for unlimited one number. Make this your Voip.ms did and set up call forwarding and there you go. Why would people try this on wind

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Doing it with Telus prepaid is more convoluted though. Because with Telus prepaid people would have to call you at one number and text you at another since Telus prepaid doesn't have free unlimited incoming like WIND does and voip.ms doesn't have sms support. To get unlimited incoming on Telus prepaid, you need to get Ultimate 45 (which includes 6pm evenings and weekends and unlimited messaging).

I probably don't give VoIP enough credit though. At work we use VoIP (plug the ethernet cable directly into the phone) and the call quality seems fine. Though recently we had some really bad issues with our phones and had to call in the IT department to take care of it. This is premium quality VoIP for businesses though. Not Skype/Line 2, which is of noticeably lower quality. You get what you pay for.

[Fortissimo]

I don't get it. The thing djino mentions - is $7 Ish on TELUS. There is a $7 addon in telus for unlimited one number. Make this your Voip.ms did and set up call forwarding and there you go. Why would people try this on wind

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Telus prepaid has $7. for One Number Unlimited. Sure it will work if you mainly do outgoing calls, and don't need incoming calls. You still need another side to do the hopping still; either a pay per use (usually $0.01 to $0.02), or a flat rate of at least $5.

WIND has unlimited incoming for $0., and you can still do the same for any providers that support call back service based on Caller ID. So it's $7. vs. $0., and One Number Unlimited in and out, vs Unlimited Incoming from anyone, but no unlimited outgoing. Samething you say?

[Fortissimo]

I'm kinda surprised that this thread is rated 1 star.

[djino]

I'm kinda surprised that this thread is rated 1 star.

- Yeah




djino

[Helloo]

I've thought about this idea for a while since I already use voip.ms but i really have no use for another plain telephone with expensive data. Data is what makes mobi/wind great value when compared to the big 3.

If you need a plain old mobile phone for business/emergencies (frequent incoming, infrequent ougoing) this is amazing since it's essentially $7/yr plus $0.01-0.02 per minute outgoing depending on value/premium routing.

[xtachx]

Telus prepaid has $7. for One Number Unlimited. Sure it will work if you mainly do outgoing calls, and don't need incoming calls. You still need another side to do the hopping still; either a pay per use (usually $0.01 to $0.02), or a flat rate of at least $5.

WIND has unlimited incoming for $0., and you can still do the same for any providers that support call back service based on Caller ID. So it's $7. vs. $0., and One Number Unlimited in and out, vs Unlimited Incoming from anyone, but no unlimited outgoing. Samething you say?

Nope - it works for BOTH incoming and outgoing. Here is how:

1. Set up voip.ms DID - and select this as your 1 number unlimited.
2. in the DID - use caller ID filtering to transfger all calls to your cell phone EXCEPT the ones from your phone.
3. Transfer the ones from your phone to DISA (calling card mode)
4. Profit?

Also, telus' 250 text messages is actually unlimited. Its a bug - which they never bothered to fix.