It's a company from Australia and their US/Canada subsidiary (and Europe/Asia/Latin America) that is providing these world-leading solutions including the Hong Kong sub-way and I believe a similar solution is used by OEM'es in Europe (several different companies).
AT&T and T-Mobile comes first simply due to technology that's used in 95% of the world (company is Transit Wireless and they don't need to do re-engineering).
I hope VZW 4G LTE (easier, faster uses the new VZW combined 3GPP GSM MAP CORE + RAN) + CDMA2000 is coming next.
0% Violence, 100% 911 calls (REALLY IMPORTANT!). Emergency response now know EXACTLY which part of the metro the call is coming from.
BTW this has existed FOREVER in other world metros including our own Washington DC Metro (with VZW!).
The other reason that AT&T is complaining about spectrum exhaust and other things (them and T-Mobile) is simply due to the *VERY HIGH AMOUNT* of in-bound to USA international roaming traffic that they both carry (a-lot of it is business travelers /w expense accounts...). It makes AT&T and T-Mobile very high profit margins.
Remember VZW's network doesn't have 10 billion people roaming on it in the world's capital (aka NYC!).
On a side note...AT&T should be begging T-Mobile to run 1900 WCDMA/HSPA on its NYC network for that reason. It would alleviate traffic on AT&T and make T-Mobile more roaming to boot.
The only downside to NYC getting more wired down under is the huge jabber factor we will have---even worse than it is now. We'll have to hear even more of everyone else's boring one way conversation (one way that we can hear). The worst is hearing people yelling at one another on their blasted cell phone, oblivious to anyone else. Sigh.
I lived in DC for many years and have to say the jabber factor was pretty subdued in the DC Metro. The service just was not good strong enough to support any kind of extended conversations. I rarely saw anyone complete a conversation or talk for more than two consecutive stops without dropping the call.
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Originally Posted by Blue Pearl
The only downside to NYC getting more wired down under is the huge jabber factor we will have---even worse than it is now. We'll have to hear even more of everyone else's boring one way conversation (one way that we can hear). The worst is hearing people yelling at one another on their blasted cell phone, oblivious to anyone else. Sigh.
Yeah. I think this whole thing is a terrible idea. The subways are a nice refuge from people yapping. You just have to remember to check whatever you want to check before you get on, and have subway map apps that are stored locally! And, it's going to get a lot worse when NYC's carrier gets on it.
If it's really that huge of a safety factor, they could have worked with a carrier to get a basic 911-only CDMA and GSM antenna at each station, but then again, that wouldn't make anyone money!
It is odd though, that Verizon, as the dominant carrier in that market, isn't on the system yet. They seem to build the most insane network, but take longer to do so. In my area, they have the most subs, and are last on many towers.
On the international thing, if the rates are anything like they are for AT&T subs abroad, it can't be much traffic, as the international people wouldn't be sucking data like domestic users, unless they have an AT&T SIM. That's another issue that needs to be dealt with.... international roaming in absurd, and they could be making bank even with reasonable ($.10/min global, $.01/text global, $10/GB) data roaming from foreigners, and the same for US users traveling abroad. It's so bad that you can't even go to Canada and get decent roaming rates.
I usually support government regulation, but It is unfortunate that the government over-regulated and killed the AT&T/ T-Mobile Merger The best explanation of the pricing nutiness in the industry. Why Sprint and T-Mo will always suck.
The only way to end the pricing insanity is to eliminate contracts and subsidies.
I want Wifi calling on AT&T. If you text while driving, you're an idiot. End of story.
If it's really that huge of a safety factor, they could have worked with a carrier to get a basic 911-only CDMA and GSM antenna at each station, but then again, that wouldn't make anyone money!
Please don't play the safety card, that is such a load of crap. We cant sit here as a society and say "well we want to do this, but someone could potentially use it against us one day!" You can't kill innovation like that. Also, keep in mind that the east river LIRR tunnels, the hudson river metro north tunnels, and I believe every car tunnel in and out of the city has cellular service, and has for a long time. If someone wants to blow up a subway station, they don't need a cell phone.
Yeah. I think this whole thing is a terrible idea. The subways are a nice refuge from people yapping. You just have to remember to check whatever you want to check before you get on, and have subway map apps that are stored locally! And, it's going to get a lot worse when NYC's carrier gets on it.
If it's really that huge of a safety factor, they could have worked with a carrier to get a basic 911-only CDMA and GSM antenna at each station, but then again, that wouldn't make anyone money!
It is odd though, that Verizon, as the dominant carrier in that market, isn't on the system yet. They seem to build the most insane network, but take longer to do so. In my area, they have the most subs, and are last on many towers.
On the international thing, if the rates are anything like they are for AT&T subs abroad, it can't be much traffic, as the international people wouldn't be sucking data like domestic users, unless they have an AT&T SIM. That's another issue that needs to be dealt with.... international roaming in absurd, and they could be making bank even with reasonable ($.10/min global, $.01/text global, $10/GB) data roaming from foreigners, and the same for US users traveling abroad. It's so bad that you can't even go to Canada and get decent roaming rates.
As someone who doesn't live in a city, I've only taken subways a few times. However had I been alone, or for the times when I was on the subway for a long period of time, I am positive it would have been nice to have had data down there. Checking apps/news, or streaming netflix for instance would be great. Some subway rides can take 20-40 minutes easily. Having the ability to watch a whole tv episode or two while waiting and riding would be awesome.
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Originally Posted by Yankees368
Please don't play the safety card, that is such a load of crap. We cant sit here as a society and say "well we want to do this, but someone could potentially use it against us one day!" You can't kill innovation like that. Also, keep in mind that the east river LIRR tunnels, the hudson river metro north tunnels, and I believe every car tunnel in and out of the city has cellular service, and has for a long time. If someone wants to blow up a subway station, they don't need a cell phone.
WHAT? First of all, MNRR doesn't have cell service, but there is a contractor who is working on putting it in, and all four carriers are signed up.
Your post makes no sense.
In this context:
Safe= cell phone service. If someone tries to rob someone, they can call 911. That's the whole safety argument here, about how there have been no robberies at the installed stations since this system was put in. It has nothing to do with terrorism.
My point is, the subways should have stayed a sanctuary where people cannot yap on their phones all day.
WHAT? First of all, MNRR doesn't have cell service, but there is a contractor who is working on putting it in, and all four carriers are signed up.
Your post makes no sense.
In this context:
Safe= cell phone service. If someone tries to rob someone, they can call 911. That's the whole safety argument here, about how there have been no robberies at the installed stations since this system was put in. It has nothing to do with terrorism.
My point is, the subways should have stayed a sanctuary where people cannot yap on their phones all day.
Oops, I mean't NJT, sorry. The Hudson River Tunnels for New Jersey Transit.
WHAT? First of all, MNRR doesn't have cell service, but there is a contractor who is working on putting it in, and all four carriers are signed up.
Your post makes no sense.
In this context:
Safe= cell phone service. If someone tries to rob someone, they can call 911. That's the whole safety argument here, about how there have been no robberies at the installed stations since this system was put in. It has nothing to do with terrorism.
My point is, the subways should have stayed a sanctuary where people cannot yap on their phones all day.
What's the difference, Noo Yawkers are going to yap all day, and yap loudly on a phone or to each other. LOL I like L.A. (Metrorail) and Bay Area (BART, SF Muni) subways, people are, for the most part pretty quiet and well behaved.
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Originally Posted by Yankees368
Oops, I mean't NJT, sorry. The Hudson River Tunnels for New Jersey Transit.
Oh gotcha.
It's only in the stations, but on the straight sections it was supposed to work between stations. Maybe that changed now that they are using really tiny, low-powered antennas?
Yeah, the Hudson river tunnels are Verizon-only, AFAIK. Wired by BAM?
It's only in the stations, but on the straight sections it was supposed to work between stations. Maybe that changed now that they are using really tiny, low-powered antennas?
Yeah, the Hudson river tunnels are Verizon-only, AFAIK. Wired by BAM?
Correct. Same goes for the east river tunnels for the LIRR. Verizon only (super fast Evdo in there now, maybe even LTE?) where sprint an metro roam. Gsm need not apply.
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Correct. Same goes for the east river tunnels for the LIRR. Verizon only (super fast Evdo in there now, maybe even LTE?) where sprint an metro roam. Gsm need not apply.
Probably EVDO, since it's hard to get in there to wire? Sprint postpaid would have full roaming, wouldn't Metro be pay per minute roaming? Stuff like that, and the DC metro situation are big wins for Verizon. I wonder why AT&T never went in on those two locations? I don't know if it's possible because of bleed-over into the "outside world", but Verizon would make a killing if they threw up a GSM/EDGE channel and charged AT&T and T-Mobile to roam on it.
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LOL I like L.A. (Metrorail) and Bay Area (BART, SF Muni) subways, people are, for the most part pretty quiet and well behaved.
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