Change to WIND's Prorated Billing System

[JustinCredible]

But its not a contract it's a commitment to stay for 3 years but it's not a contract. Lol

It's a phone loan, not a service contract. I don't see how anyone expects Wind to just give them free devices. If you don't want a phone loan in exchange for staying and also for the privilege of Wind PAYING for your device, then just buy it yourself.



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[Tendenzi]

It's a phone loan, not a service contract. I don't see how anyone expects Wind to just give them free devices. If you don't want a phone loan in exchange for staying and also for the privilege of Wind PAYING for your device, then just buy it yourself.



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Whoa! We're joking: we know what it is, you know what it is, but let's not beat around what it really is. Stay 3 years, get a free phone. Stay 3 years with the incumbents, same deal on the hardware.

[live_strong]

Stay 3 years, get a free phone. Stay 3 years with the incumbents, same deal on the hardware.

with WIND, cancel within 3 years and pay off the remaining subsidy.
cancel within 3 years with the big 3 and pay off the remaining subsi...oh right, ECF and DECF which is always far greater than the remaining subsidy.
(save telus obviously)

[Tendenzi]

with WIND, cancel within 3 years and pay off the remaining subsidy.
cancel within 3 years with the big 3 and pay off the remaining subsi...oh right, ECF and DECF which is always far greater than the remaining subsidy.
(save telus obviously)

Sure we can point that out, but then the phone is not free with either carrier. Oh well right? That's the point LS, they're advertising $0 phones with no contract. But it's not $0 until you finish your term. Nothing to argue, just to point and laugh at.

[likebutta]

Sure we can point that out, but then the phone is not free with either carrier. Oh well right? That's the point LS, they're advertising $0 phones with no contract. But it's not $0 until you finish your term. Nothing to argue, just to point and laugh at.

Still, there is a difference and that's what counts. You can argue shades of grey but to some it's what counts.

BTW, why did you UnCaPiTaLiZe your name? Now I don't know how to pronounce it.

[yongmichael]

Okay I think I have figured it out. The reason I only have to pay 1/3, and not 2/3 or 3/3 of the monthly total for each plan is because the period is based from the LAST billing cycle date, is this correct?

i.e. my billing cycle being on the 26th just passed 4 days ago - therefore, I fall into the 1/3 category??

The reason i was so confused earlier was because I was basing the number of days I have based on the NEXT billing cycle - i.e. for me it would be 26 days from now (which I thought would therefore put me into the 3/3 of monthly total category.

Thanks so much for any clarification!

I think you are still misunderstanding.

It's based on how many days are left on your billing cycle. Think about it way. First, realize that you are on Pay Before so you have to pay before you get service. So if you utilize all 30 days, you get charged full price or 3/3. The smaller the amount of service time you get, the less you pay. The whole idea with pro-rated billing is so you don't get charged for days that have elapsed before your next billing cycle begins (i.e. when they plan on charging you the full amount).

Example:
Say your billing cycle starts on November 26 and ends on December 26.

If you top off your account between November 26 and December 5, you have to pay 3/3 (or full amount) because you are getting 21-30 days of service.

If you top off you account between December 6 and December 15, you have to pay 2/3 because you are getting 11-20 days of service.

Finally, if you top off you account between December 16 and December 25, you have to pay 1/3 because you are getting 1-10 days of service.

[savbers]

Didn't wind always have this system?

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[djino]

I think you are still misunderstanding.

It's based on how many days are left on your billing cycle. Think about it way. First, realize that you are on Pay Before so you have to pay before you get service. So if you utilize all 30 days, you get charged full price or 3/3. The smaller the amount of service time you get, the less you pay. The whole idea with pro-rated billing is so you don't get charged for days that have elapsed before your next billing cycle begins (i.e. when they plan on charging you the full amount).

Example:
Say your billing cycle starts on November 26 and ends on December 26.

If you top off your account between November 26 and December 5, you have to pay 3/3 (or full amount) because you are getting 21-30 days of service.

If you top off you account between December 6 and December 15, you have to pay 2/3 because you are getting 11-20 days of service.

Finally, if you top off you account between December 16 and December 25, you have to pay 1/3 because you are getting 1-10 days of service.

+1

Its about the Days "REMAINING" in your billing cycle. If your billing cycle began 4 days ago (Nov 26th), then you still fall in the 3/3 category and thus have to pay 3/3 times your monthly service.

But if you are not planning to use your WIND service yet, then you should not be topping up at all until your account has been in suspension 80 days (ie, two thirds into your third billing cycle on suspension). 2/3rds into a billing cycle leaves you with 1/3 "Remaining" in this billing cycle. You will need to top up 1/3 of your monthly service anytime between day 80 to 89 (where as the $5 trick method previous to this billing system change meant only topping up $5).

mattt33, you appear to be confusing yourself greatly. It maybe best to get a hard copy of a calendar month.

Label: November 26th to December 5th as 3/3. December 6th to December 15th as 2/3 and December 16th to December 25th as 1/3.

If your account was in suspension and:
you wish to reactivate a $40 HMP during the first third of billing cycle = $40 * 3/3 = $40.00
you wish to reactivate a $40 HMP during the second third of billing cycle = $40 * 2/3 = $26.66
you wish to reactivate a $40 HMP during the final third of billing cycle = $40 * 1/3 = $13.33

djino

[djino]

Didn't wind always have this system?

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Nope.

Before one only needed to top up as per the remaining days left. If you had a $40 plan in suspension and there were 5 days remaining in your billing cycle, a top up balance of $6.67 (ie $40 * 5/30) would be enough to reactivate your account for the last 5 days in billing cycle.

NOW one needs to top up enough to satisfy the remain third(s) left in your billing cycle. Since 5 days left means you are within the last 1/3 of the month you'd need to top up $13.33 (ie $40 * 10/30). Here, you are paying for 10 days of service but only getting 5.

djino

[rodtaylor]

But it's not $0 until you finish your term.

This depends on the price of the phone and your monthly bill. What you say is certainly true for most people but there are enough exceptions that Wind's advertising is correct.

[Tendenzi]

Still, there is a difference and that's what counts. You can argue shades of grey but to some it's what counts.

BTW, why did you UnCaPiTaLiZe your name? Now I don't know how to pronounce it.

Well, it's black and white to me... No $0 phone if you don't stay 3 years. The shades of grey come in others arguments about cancelling early.

Why do you think I uncapitalized my name? It occurred to me some people were thinking it was two separate words like your name should be, but it's not. isthatgoodenough? <hah get it?

[GeorgeX]

$5 trick still worked for me.

[djino]

$5 trick still worked for me.

On which plan?

[ShanghaiKid]

with WIND, cancel within 3 years and pay off the remaining subsidy.
cancel within 3 years with the big 3 and pay off the remaining subsi...oh right, ECF and DECF which is always far greater than the remaining subsidy.
(save telus obviously)

Actually, the longer you stay with Rogers the cheaper it is for the ECF and DECF, lets use the example of 2 people, one with Wind and the other with Rogers. Wind person gets the $29 promo plan and gets the HTC Amaze and pays $249 on the Windtab+ so he owes $420 on the tab. After say hmmm 30 months the Wind person decides to cancel, this is what he owes:
$420 -($29* 10% *12mths) + ($45* 10% *18mths) = $304.20

Rogers person cancelling at month 30 would pay:
ECF 6 mths * $20 = $120 + DECF = 6 mths * $5 = $30, total = $150.00

Looks like Rogers ECF/DECF is cheaper in the long run with above example.

Hate to say it but Wintab+ is just Wind's version of a 3 year contract from the Big3

[keyzink]

Actually, the longer you stay with Rogers the cheaper it is for the ECF and DECF, lets use the example of 2 people, one with Wind and the other with Rogers. Wind person gets the $29 promo plan and gets the HTC Amaze and pays $249 on the Windtab+ so he owes $420 on the tab. After say hmmm 30 months the Wind person decides to cancel, this is what he owes:
$420 -($29* 10% *12mths) + ($45* 10% *18mths) = $304.20

Rogers person cancelling at month 30 would pay:
ECF 6 mths * $20 = $120 + DECF = 6 mths * $5 = $30, total = $150.00

Looks like Rogers ECF/DECF is cheaper in the long run with above example.

Hate to say it but Wintab+ is just Wind's version of a 3 year contract from the Big3

You yourself explained the difference between hardware subsidy and contract. Since you like throwing around numbers and equations, and spinning them to favor you argument, maybe you'll understand these.

Windtab+ = Hardware subsidy
Big3 contract = Tied to receiving service from the provider

Want to leave?
Tab = Pay-off what you owe on what you bought
Contract = Pay us for not taking service from us

Windtab+ = Rewards you for staying 3 yrs
Big3 contract = Penalizes you for leaving early

Its not the amount that matters, its the essence of being charged that does.