AT&T Blue->Orange Migration: 6 month update

[OceanViewer]

What is this Blue, Orange plan?
Can anyone get it?

[spdickey]

What is this Blue, Orange plan?
Can anyone get it?

Blue plans were those left over from the old AT&T Wireless before they merged with Cingular before the name was changed to AT&T Mobility. Orange plans were from Cingular Wireless.

Blue plans have not been available for sale for a long, long time.

AT&T threatened to turn off customers with Blue plans last year, but never went through with their threats. So they are still working, but they did turn off SMS and they can't upgrade without getting a new plan along with some other minor differences. But they did offer more minutes and unlimited data plans at cheaper prices than today's offerings.

[jet1000]

But they did offer more minutes and unlimited data plans at cheaper prices than today's offerings.

But the blue data plans don't offer AT&T's highest data speeds. So you get what you pay for.

[spdickey]

But the blue data plans don't offer AT&T's highest data speeds. So you get what you pay for.

At the time I was getting full 3G speeds, the highest capable for my phones, 4G wasn't available to me at all. Yet the prices still went up. So I wasn't getting what I paid for, I was paying more for my minutes and data, and got less than what I had before. But you all ready have all the evidence you need about my concerns as we discussed this before, so not only is your statement not true, you knowingly posted something false.

[jet1000]

At the time I was getting full 3G speeds, the highest capable for my phones, 4G wasn't available to me at all.

According to this post, you switched in August 2011:

http://www.howardforums.com/showthre...3#post14665663

AT&T had been offering 4G devices since January 2011. So 4G was certainly available to you once you migrated to Orange. If you continued to use 3G devices after that, AT&T was still providing you the opportunity for faster data speeds for the additional money that you were paying.

so not only is your statement not true, you knowingly posted something false.

Another false allegation on your part. As stated above, Orange gives availability to faster data speeds. This is evident in the fact that you are still on the same Orange plan that you migrated to and you now even get LTE speeds as a part of that plan. You could not get this on blue. And I've seen no report that one can even switch to the HSPA+ data plan on blue. That means if you were still on the blue plan and paying less, you would be receiving less service. That is a fact and not false as you claimed.

In addition, you tried to switch to another company, but returned to the superior service and value that AT&T provides and you remain with them to this day.

[spdickey]

According to this post, you switched in August 2011:

http://www.howardforums.com/showthre...3#post14665663

AT&T had been offering 4G devices since January 2011. So 4G was certainly available to you once you migrated to Orange. If you continued to use 3G devices after that, AT&T was still providing you the opportunity for faster data speeds for the additional money that you were paying.

Another false allegation on your part. As stated above, Orange gives availability to faster data speeds. This is evident in the fact that you are still on the same Orange plan that you migrated to and you now even get LTE speeds as a part of that plan. You could not get this on blue. And I've seen no report that one can even switch to the HSPA+ data plan on blue. That means if you were still on the blue plan and paying less, you would be receiving less service. That is a fact and not false as you claimed.

In addition, you tried to switch to another company, but returned to the superior service and value that AT&T provides and you remain with them to this day.

To clear things up for you because you find things hard to understand.

We are discussing the time when I was switched from Blue to Orange last year. Before I upgraded phones. I did not "get what you paid for." I had to pay more and got less. Thus your statement is false and misleading.

Orange at the time did not give me faster speeds, so again another fallacy you are presenting. In fact I had to migrate to another Orange plan to get LTE speeds with my new phone, so another falsehood has been presented.

I was not getting superior value and service from AT&T, thus again you are presenting another item that I disagree with fully and thus your statement again is false and misleading.

[jet1000]

because you find things hard to understand.

Once again, you have to resort to personal attacks.

Before I upgraded phones. I did not "get what you paid for." I had to pay more and got less. Thus your statement is false and misleading.

As I said, you had the opportunity once you switched to get 4G speeds. A blue customer does not. You paid more for that opportunity. It is factual that you had the opportunity. Thus my statement is not false. If you did not buy a 4G phone because you were still using your free bribe phones, AT&T still provided you with the opportunity to get 4G HSPA+ once you migrated.

When I said you get what you pay for, I was referring to that opportunity. As I wrote the statement I am the one who knows what I was talking about.

Orange at the time did not give me faster speeds, so again another fallacy you are presenting.

I never stated that it provided you faster speeds. I knew full well that you were still using your cheap 3G bribe phone. No fallacy was presented. Just another false allegation on your part.

In fact I had to migrate to another Orange plan to get LTE speeds with my new phone, so another falsehood has been presented.

Something you would not have been able to do had you remained a blue customer. In fact, the plan you are now on is at the same price point, as you were previously. They simply updated your account to match your 4G device.

I was not getting superior value and service from AT&T, thus again you are presenting another item that I disagree with fully

You don't disagree enough to leave for another carrier. You can "say" you disagree. But the truth is that you tried to leave and returned to AT&T's superior service and value. Your action speak louder than your words. For someone to be as critical of AT&T as you have been in the past, you certainly would have left by now if another carrier provided superior service.

[spdickey]

Once again, you have to resort to personal attacks.



As I said, you had the opportunity once you switched to get 4G speeds. A blue customer does not. You paid more for that opportunity. It is factual that you had the opportunity. Thus my statement is not false. If you did not buy a 4G phone because you were still using your free bribe phones, AT&T still provided you with the opportunity to get 4G HSPA+ once you migrated.

When I said you get what you pay for, I was referring to that opportunity. As I wrote the statement I am the one who knows what I was talking about.



I never stated that it provided you faster speeds. I knew full well that you were still using your cheap 3G bribe phone. No fallacy was presented. Just another false allegation on your part.



Something you would not have been able to do had you remained a blue customer. In fact, the plan you are now on is at the same price point, as you were previously. They simply updated your account to match your 4G device.



You don't disagree enough to leave for another carrier. You can "say" you disagree. But the truth is that you tried to leave and returned to AT&T's superior service and value. Your action speak louder than your words. For someone to be as critical of AT&T as you have been in the past, you certainly would have left by now if another carrier provided superior service.

Nothing personal, I am however pointing out things you seem to overlook, misstate or simply not tell the truth. So lets go over it one last time...

At the time I didn't care for, needed nor wanted the so called "opportunity" as you describe, but now only you bring up trying to explain your way out of your earlier false statement. So your "opportunity" is irrelevant, I couldn't use it with the device I had. So again your original statement is still false, my speeds did not increase when I started paying more. Thus I did not get what I was paying for.

I was not using the "bribe phone," actually you know I intended to sell it, which I did. I used the same 3G as before. Again another false statement from you. Speeds did not increase when I was forced to Orange. Another item you seem to overlook again and again. In fact you are even now talking out of both sides of your mouth talking about "opportunities" for extra speeds and then saying you know my speeds weren't increased. Since they didn't increase, but I had to pay more means the value to me decreased.

And I was not on the same price points on Orange as I was on Blue. As I said many times, I was forced to pay more, and get less. Less minutes, less texting, and more expensive to keep unlimited data. So another false statement from you.

Yes I did have to change plans when I finally upgraded to 4G LTE. So no, I am not on the same data plan as you earlier mentioned. Currently I am on an unlimited LTE with visual voicemail plan. This plan is more expensive than the unlimited mMode plan I was on under Blue.

Yes I did upgrade my phone, something I really didn't want to do, I never upgraded when I was Blue, I simply bought my own unlocked devices. Since I'm forced to pay higher rates, I might as well take advantage of the upgrade program, but I'm not happy being stuck with possible ETF fees if I want to switch to another phone before my two years is up.

If you continue to respond with incorrect assertions, I will continue to call you on them.

[jet1000]

I finally upgraded to 4G LTE.

Something that one can't do on a blue plan.

I encourage all remaining blue users to consider following in spdickey's footsteps and migrating over to enjoy the advantages of an orange plan:

LTE data plans
HSPA+ data plans
SMS availability
AT&T devices available at the full subsidized discount
No worries about the eventual turn down of the blue network.

I expect more and more blue customers to migrate as 3G technology becomes more and more obsolete.

[spdickey]

Something that one can't do on a blue plan.

I encourage all remaining blue users to consider following in spdickey's footsteps and migrating over to enjoy the advantages of an orange plan:

LTE data plans
HSPA+ data plans
SMS availability
AT&T devices available at the full subsidized discount
No worries about the eventual turn down of the blue network.

I expect more and more blue customers to migrate as 3G technology becomes more and more obsolete.

Something people still have today by not falling for AT&Ts lies from over a year ago that the Blue plans would be shut off.

Lower prices, more minutes.
Fast 3G speeds for their existing devices.
No need to pay expensive upgrade fees or settle for cheap "bribe phones"
No contracts

So don't listen to the gloom and doom people that say 3G will be gone soon and worry that AT&T will turn down the Blue SIM authorization system. AT&T hasn't come through on that threat, and we're now almost a full year from their first threatened shut down date.

[BearsFan1337]

Because they want to make it difficult for you to take your business somewhere else. Prior to their value plan they had a no phone subsidy plan that had no commitment time. They lost a lot of customers to other carriers from that plan, so now they require a 2 year term on all postpaid plans regardless of whether they give you a phone subsidy or not.

Actually those plans were introduced to get everything to a contract model in preparation for the AT&T takeover.

[Antenna]

According to this post, you switched in August 2011:

http://www.howardforums.com/showthre...3#post14665663

AT&T had been offering 4G devices since January 2011. So 4G was certainly available to you once you migrated to Orange. If you continued to use 3G devices after that, AT&T was still providing you the opportunity for faster data speeds for the additional money that you were paying.



Another false allegation on your part. As stated above, Orange gives availability to faster data speeds. This is evident in the fact that you are still on the same Orange plan that you migrated to and you now even get LTE speeds as a part of that plan. You could not get this on blue. And I've seen no report that one can even switch to the HSPA+ data plan on blue. That means if you were still on the blue plan and paying less, you would be receiving less service. That is a fact and not false as you claimed.

In addition, you tried to switch to another company, but returned to the superior service and value that AT&T provides and you remain with them to this day.

"4G" is HSPA+ the same technology you criticized t-mobile for marketing hype. So effectively, AT&T did not have true "4G" since January. Want me to dig up your contradicting posts too? Two can play it with Google....

[veriztd]

Something people still have today by not falling for AT&Ts lies from over a year ago that the Blue plans would be shut off.

Despite what you are saying, I don't believe for a minute that there was a lie about shutting down the "Blue" network when you eventually migrated. I believe that At&t had every intention to do so, but as a result of consumer and/or potential government "backlash" during the failed buyout of T-Mobile they rescinded the decision at that time. They could pull the plug on on "Blue" customers at any time now, since they have given ample time for migration to Orange plans/devices and the T-Mobile buyout by At&t looks dead in the water. Only time will tell.

[Antenna]

Something people still have today by not falling for AT&Ts lies from over a year ago that the Blue plans would be shut off.

Lower prices, more minutes.
Fast 3G speeds for their existing devices.
No need to pay expensive upgrade fees or settle for cheap "bribe phones"
No contracts

So don't listen to the gloom and doom people that say 3G will be gone soon and worry that AT&T will turn down the Blue SIM authorization system. AT&T hasn't come through on that threat, and we're now almost a full year from their first threatened shut down date.

The user you are replying to often contradicts himself. There is no point arguing with him. He wasn't even a Blue user

[spdickey]

Despite what you are saying, I don't believe for a minute that there was a lie about shutting down the "Blue" network when you eventually migrated. I believe that At&t had every intention to do so, but as a result of consumer and/or potential government "backlash" during the failed buyout of T-Mobile they rescinded the decision at that time. They could pull the plug on on "Blue" customers at any time now, since they have given ample time for migration to Orange plans/devices and the T-Mobile buyout by At&t looks dead in the water. Only time will tell.

They were less than truthful in that they missed all threatened deadlines for shutdown, and they still haven't shut down the Blue SIMs even today. So the might not have initially intentionally not tell the truth, but they still haven't told the truth about if and when it will ever be shut down.