There is union activity at the Bloomington illinois location. Looks like an election on this friday. I found this through Wikipedia entry on Verizon wireless, citation 60, which directs to national labor relations board. Looks like someone is actually stepping up for consoladation of job titles, me, and deskilling of customer service reps.
I work for AT&T and we are in the CWA. Ironically we are the only Cell company unionized and us reps put up with the most crap. I know the grass isn't always greener on the other side, but I know some people that work for Verizon and trust me, we deal with more crap than you guys do.
I am not anti-union when thy actually do something. But if there was a movement to get rid of the CWA with AT&T I would be in the top of the line voting them away. They don't do anything worth while.
On a side note, I've been thinking for awhile now of applying at Verizon. Just haven't made the move yet.
I work for AT&T and we are in the CWA. Ironically we are the only Cell company unionized and us reps put up with the most crap. I know the grass isn't always greener on the other side, but I know some people that work for Verizon and trust me, we deal with more crap than you guys do.
I am not anti-union when thy actually do something. But if there was a movement to get rid of the CWA with AT&T I would be in the top of the line voting them away. They don't do anything worth while.
On a side note, I've been thinking for awhile now of applying at Verizon. Just haven't made the move yet.
Union helps with wages, hours and working conditions.
Union helps with wages, hours and working conditions.
LOL wow that really made me laugh.
We have some of the worst hours and scheduling even though we have the CWA. Our COMP gets worse every year. With the latest comp plan from last year, pretty much everyone's monthly commission dropped in half.
The CWA does very little with working conditions. There is no job pretection from the union like you may think. If AT&T wants to get rid of you, they will find a way. I've seen it done many times for them to fire someone and get around the union.
I am not saying all unions are bad. They are good for blue collar jobs. But white collar jobs like AT&T Mobility, they are not needed. They really don't do anything. And I've been a member of the CWA for amost 9 years. So I am not making this stuff up.
Basically the CWA lets AT&T walk all over them. Talk to any manager or upper management about the CWA. They will laugh and tell you how much a joke they are.
Oh and also, with the last so called "contract" with the CWA, my health insurance TRIPLED each month with really high yearly deductables. So ya, the CWA is crap.
When I worked for ATT, the CWA was around down here as well. The CWA doesn't do CRAP. I never saw them actively stop a single employee firing, nor did they stop or hinder overzealous managers. Better hours? Worked EVERY SINGLE holiday except for Thanksgiving and Christmas. If there was a store sales meeting at 8am on a Saturday, attendance was "mandatory", even if your shift didn't start until 1pm that afternoon...if it was your day off, screw you, better be at the meeting; no "calling in" was allowed. Working a 9pm close shift one day, then being required to be at work at 7am the very next morning wasn't unusual, either. Better pay? My pay didn't go up a single penny after the CWA came in and started docking dues from my paycheck. As a matter of fact, I knew people who were in line for raises that were actually BIGGER than the CWA's step-raise schedule, but since they now fell under the union, they got screwed. Better working conditions? All the CWA did was foster animosity, suspicion, and stress between my store and our manager, who was actually a really good manager and great to get along with; he didn't hang around long after the CWA came to town and levied their requirements and handbooks on him. Alot of the crap I stated above didn't come from him, but I knew came from his bosses.
Lets face it, if you work in a cellphone store, you aren't exactly toiling in coal mines for 16 hours while breathing in noxious fumes. Sign the union card, and watch your job change for the worse. And it's not exactly like the CWA will protect your sales job. All you have to do is "underperform" for 3 straight months, and you're gone.
Low price, Excellent Service, High Quality. Pick any two, but you never get all three.
When I worked for ATT, the CWA was around down here as well. The CWA doesn't do CRAP. I never saw them actively stop a single employee firing, nor did they stop or hinder overzealous managers. Better hours? Worked EVERY SINGLE holiday except for Thanksgiving and Christmas. If there was a store sales meeting at 8am on a Saturday, attendance was "mandatory", even if your shift didn't start until 1pm that afternoon...if it was your day off, screw you, better be at the meeting; no "calling in" was allowed. Working a 9pm close shift one day, then being required to be at work at 7am the very next morning wasn't unusual, either. Better pay? My pay didn't go up a single penny after the CWA came in and started docking dues from my paycheck. As a matter of fact, I knew people who were in line for raises that were actually BIGGER than the CWA's step-raise schedule, but since they now fell under the union, they got screwed. Better working conditions? All the CWA did was foster animosity, suspicion, and stress between my store and our manager, who was actually a really good manager and great to get along with; he didn't hang around long after the CWA came to town and levied their requirements and handbooks on him. Alot of the crap I stated above didn't come from him, but I knew came from his bosses.
Lets face it, if you work in a cellphone store, you aren't exactly toiling in coal mines for 16 hours while breathing in noxious fumes. Sign the union card, and watch your job change for the worse. And it's not exactly like the CWA will protect your sales job. All you have to do is "underperform" for 3 straight months, and you're gone.
Well said my friend. And you are so right about it all.
I buy you the perverbial beer.
If Verizon employees do anything , it should be to NOT vote in the CWA. Trust us AT&T reps. You will regret it.
Well said my friend. And you are so right about it all.
I buy you the perverbial beer.
If Verizon employees do anything , it should be to NOT vote in the CWA. Trust us AT&T reps. You will regret it.
Thanks for the beer
But thankfully, I now part own and operate an indirect Verizon retailer store, so I'm pretty much shielded from alot of this bull ****. The big running joke among the ATT management in the Florida markets was, simply, that Florida is a "right to work" state. "Right to work" basically means that an employee can quit a job for any reason at any time, and conversely, an employer can fire/lay off an employee for any reason at any time, without any negative legal/civil repercussions to either party. In other words, in the state of Florida, "the law" was on ATT's side when it came to firing employees, and as we all know, private contracts (like the one between ATT and the CWA) can NOT override the law in ANY state, no matter the language of the contract. So even if the CWA "says" that certain protocols should be followed before an employee termination, it was all pretty much "recommendation" more than "contract".
lol I even remember watching an employee "training video" on how ATT and the CWA were "equal partners" and how ATT "welcomed" the CWA how ATT wasn't opposed to unions, etc, etc....lol of course they weren't threatened....the CWA is the union equivalent of a mall cop...at the end of the day, he's only carrying civilian-grade mace, not a pistol and nightstick.
But thankfully, I now part own and operate an indirect Verizon retailer store, so I'm pretty much shielded from alot of this bull ****. The big running joke among the ATT management in the Florida markets was, simply, that Florida is a "right to work" state. "Right to work" basically means that an employee can quit a job for any reason at any time, and conversely, an employer can fire/lay off an employee for any reason at any time, without any negative legal/civil repercussions to either party. In other words, in the state of Florida, "the law" was on ATT's side when it came to firing employees, and as we all know, private contracts (like the one between ATT and the CWA) can NOT override the law in ANY state, no matter the language of the contract. So even if the CWA "says" that certain protocols should be followed before an employee termination, it was all pretty much "recommendation" more than "contract".
lol I even remember watching an employee "training video" on how ATT and the CWA were "equal partners" and how ATT "welcomed" the CWA how ATT wasn't opposed to unions, etc, etc....lol of course they weren't threatened....the CWA is the union equivalent of a mall cop...at the end of the day, he's only carrying civilian-grade mace, not a pistol and nightstick.
True story.. Time to hire hire private security firm.. ie. Mafia..
there's a couple of issues here that no one's taken into consideration. verizon and att are not the same company, and the employees likely have specific demands of the company. as a union member with IBEW, I guess I don't understand what difference it makes if they chose IBEW, CWA, or hell even started their OWN union. I applaud them for standing up for their right to negotiate employment terms. If you don't understand why these employees are trying to unionize, then you don't even know who verizon is. they are the greediest telco company out there.
The union facilities are WITHOUT FAIL worse than the non-union. It's amazing what the "rights" that unions fight for do to worker attitudes... sulleness, not my problem, etc.
I once had to do an audit, and the room I was in, was right next to a room being used for a union meeting by some of the leadership... they were discussing the ways that they would stack the deck to get a new hospital unionized. They had already negotiated with the administration that they would be responsible for counting the votes, and they were going to bus in large numbers of people from neighboring hospitals to vote on unionization at a completely different hospital. The reason this was going to work was that the union was counting the votes, and could disregard with immunity the fact that they were counting votes that weren't supposed to be included.... in other words, they were stacking the deck.... we see this behaviour ALL the time with unions. When the big union event in Wisconsin was occurring, everyone realizes, most of the protesters didn't even live in wisconsin right? How about the fraudulent Doctor notes to get more people out of work?
Seriously... if a Wall Street company were doing this kind of thing, they would be subject to criminal charges... it is absolutely frightening to me that Unions are allowed to work this was with impunity.
They served a real purpose once, but now, they are the entrenched power block that really needs to be fought against.
Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Funny how unions were formed to fight "the man", and now the unions ARE "the man". They've gone from advocating humane working conditions in blue collar industries, to basically becoming little socialized mini-nations entrenched within large corporations.
This is TJ Foxs fault, he is a very bad RVP and manager, the people he puts in place are bad managers. Lowell should terminate him. Just like they did to the RVP who was actually worth her weight in gold. send TJ Fox packing and make Verizon Wireless the great place it was to work before this guys and his scared yes men and women jacked up the Region
This is TJ Foxs fault, he is a very bad RVP and manager, the people he puts in place are bad managers. Lowell should terminate him. Just like they did to the RVP who was actually worth her weight in gold. send TJ Fox packing and make Verizon Wireless the great place it was to work before this guys and his scared yes men and women jacked up the Region
I have done some looking into TJ Fox, who he is and At first i thought you were trolling but wow, that guy is a total joke. I wonder how much HE gets paid. How secure is HIS job?
Starting their own union would be a huge challenge. Legal fees, and whatnot. that's a little far fetched.
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