I'm researching mobile phones noted below that have carrier iq, and representing any users that have such phones and concerned about using their privacy:
Any idea how carriers activate carrier Iq that were not pre-installed but downloaded via an app, ie t-mobile used "my account". Is it done by the carrier or a third party such as an OMADM?
Carrier IQ Gets Hit With Senate Investigation - Gizmodogizmodo.com/5864218/carrieriq-gets-hit-with-senate-investigationCached
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Dec 1, 2011 – Earlier today Franken fired off a letter to Carrier IQ CEO Larry Lenhart raising questions about the company's practices and demanding answers ...
Franken Still 'Troubled' by Carrier IQ Despite Company Responses ...http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817...2,00.aspCached
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Dec 16, 2011 – Sen. Al Franken this week said he is still "very troubled" by the technology deployed by Carrier IQ despite the fact that the company—as well as ...
@malleylaw I find it strange that no one has brought up this issue before now! I would think the owners of these particular mobile phones would be some what upset and ranting more about this issue! I have done plenty of ranting but then again who is going to listen to us? I have been intriged by the articles out on the net so have done my homework and find it very interesting that Nielsen Ratings is a 3rd party vendor with Carrier IQ
Why would Carrier IQ need Nielsen since they are a "publicly held global information and media company, and is one of the world's leading suppliers of marketing information"? Marketing information as in our private details on our personal phone so advertisers may benefit?
On October 19, 2011, Carrier IQ and third party vendor Nielsen Company announced a partnership on analyzing data.
well i have an Atrix phone and i opened the site wild child mentioned...whats a zombie cookie??? .. this is stupid that theyre tracking me i DID NOT agree to this and DONT want them to continue tracking!
Phone 'Rootkit' Maker Carrier IQ May Have Violated Wiretap Law In ...http://www.forbes.com/.../phone-root...-wire...Cached
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Nov 30, 2011 – VideoUpdated with a more detailed response from Carrier IQ below. Update 2: Class action lawsuits have now been filed against Carrier IQ, ...
I have the Motorola Bravo and my boyfriend has the Titanium and was wondering how we go about getting more information concerning your lawsuit? Do you have a website we can view? I feel its pretty scary that companies are tracking my every move through my phone!
My soroity group is having a meeting next Tuesday concerning this issue, which actually they have someone from Motorola coming to speak and show everyone how to remove Carrier IQ!
I would like to have information from your firm to present to my soroity sisters in case anyone want's to participate in the lawsuit, since we do support Privacy concerns in our community.
Interesting scenario,can you send me some info on this meeting. I see also you just joined this blog. Interesting how a company has not sent notice to all of it's customers for thepast 3 months that it intentionally pre-installed tracking software, collected billions of data on it's users, but would spend the time to go to a sorority meeting. Really like to see details of thismeeting, including name of rep, office, title, and any material being provided by motorlafor review.
No I do not have my website up this second. I decided this year I would redo the entire site that I have used in the past so that it now is innovative and changes the way info is provided to those interested in internet privacy law for computers and mobile phones.
Houston, eh! I worked from 1979-86 in houston and grad from south texas law in 1986. Been in dallas with my own practice since 1988. houston is great place. What school you at and interesting that your sorority would have a meeting on this area.
Hopefully motorola, their local reps, and more than likely their attys are viewing websites for info,such as this site, so in addition to informing you of my involvement/experince in this area. let me also help them! So here are 2 of my cases I filed last month on HTC and samsung, including an email form the court on one of the cases:
Lisa Clark et al v. Carrier IQ Inc et al :: Justia Dockets & Filingsdockets.justia.com › ... › California Central District Court › Other › OtherCached
Dec 8, 2011 – California Central District Court - Other - Other - Lisa Clark et al v. ... December 8, 2011, 1, CLASS ACTION COMPLAINT against Defendants Carrier IQ Inc, Samsung ... Defendant: Samsung Telecommunications America, LLC ...
This is an automatic e-mail message generated by the CM/ECF system. Please DO NOT RESPOND to this e-mail because the mail box is unattended.
***NOTE TO PUBLIC ACCESS USERS*** Judicial Conference of the United States policy permits attorneys of record and parties in a case (including pro se litigants) to receive one free electronic copy of all documents filed electronically, if receipt is required by law or directed by the filer. PACER access fees apply to all other users. To avoid later charges, download a copy of each document during this first viewing. However, if the referenced document is a transcript, the free copy and 30 page limit do not apply.
U.S. District Court
Northern District of California
Notice of Electronic Filing or Other Case Activity
NOTE: Please read this entire notice before calling the Help Desk. If you have questions, please email the Help Desk by replying to this message; include your question or comment along with the original text.
Please note that these Notices are sent for all cases in the system when any case activity occurs, regardless of whether the case is designated for e-filing or not, or whether the activity is the filing of an electronic document or not.
If there are two hyperlinks below, the first will lead to the docket and the second will lead to an e-filed document.
If there is no second hyperlink, there is no electronic document available .
See the FAQ posting 'I have a Notice of Electronic Filing that was e-mailed to me but there's no hyperlink...' on the ECF home page at https://ecf.cand.uscourts.gov for more information.
The following transaction was received from entered on 12/8/2011 3:42 PM PST and filed on 12/6/2011
Case Name: Olivares et al v. Carrier IQ, Inc et al
Case Number:5:11-cv-06151-HRL
Filer:
Document Number:3(No document attached)
Docket Text:
ADR SCHEDULING ORDER: Case Management Statement due by 2/28/2012. Case Management Conference set for 3/6/2012 01:30 PM in Courtroom 2, 5th Floor, San Jose. (bw, COURT STAFF) (Filed on 12/6/2011)
5:11-cv-06151-HRL Notice has been electronically mailed to:
5:11-cv-06151-HRL Please see General Order 45 Section IX C.2 and D; Notice has NOT been electronically mailed to:
So houston 2012, sorry for having my website down, but most websites are bellsand whistles anyway, ie looknice but you really just need to pull up court records on attorneys to see theyactually do file suits and the level of the suits. Most attys may file one suit per year in a state court, while all my cases are federal and we file about one a month, and all are involving privacylaw. I don't dabble in this area. Thisis all I do now. So here's some blog/stories about my recent cases:
2) Since 2006 I was one of thefirst involved in DPPA, or privacy violation of the driver privacy protection act where states sell motor vehicle records to companies, most under the false pretense of a legal right. Basically these companies buy the records for marketing.
IF YOU OR YOUR SOROITY MEMEMEBRS were texas residents then I represented you in the cases filed against 137 companies that were buying 20 million recordsevery 2 weeks.
So now i put otgether about 40 lawyersfrom multiple state, about 8 and we arefiling these cases. It looks like all will end up at the US SUPREME CT next year. Here's arecent case from missouri:
No. 10–3818. - COOK v. ACS STATE LOCAL SOLUTIONS INC - US ... caselaw.findlaw.com/us-8th.../1588620.html?.
Dec 15, 2011 –, argued, Dallas, TX, (Timothy H. Bosler, ... Under Missouri law and the federal regulatory scheme of the DPPA, the ...
3) Friday, September 16, 2011, 6:01 PM
KISSmetrics, Hulu Hit With Privacy Suit
by Wendy Davis, Friday, September 16, 2011, 6:01 PM
MediaPost Publications KISSmetrics, Hulu Hit With Privacy ...Analytics company KISSmetricsand Web video site Hulu.com have been hit with another privacy lawsuit over their alleged use of "supercookies" to track people. The ..http://www.mediapost.com/publication...s.showArticle&... - Cached
4) MediaPost Publications OpenFeint Sued For Misappropriating ...
OpenFeint Sued For Misappropriating Mobile Gamers' Data - 06/24/2011 http://www.mediapost.com/publication...s.showArticle&... - Cached
The complaint included an attorney's name I have seen before: Joseph Malley of Dallas. Malley, often referred to as a "Privacy Crusader,"
was involved with class-action suits against Adzilla, NebuAd,
Quantcast ("zombie cookies"), Ringleader, and Facebook. In 2010,
Facebook settled the suit for $9.5 million.
For consumers who have privacy concerns, you want an attorney that is
experienced with online privacy issues and technologies. Malley is the
guy you want on your side.
8) ZOMBIE COOKIES, a term I coined: "Web measurement company Quantcast and widget maker Clearspring have agreed to settle two class action lawsuits alleging they violated people’s online privacy by using Flash cookies to track their information. The majority of the $2.4 million settlement – which still awaits court approval – will go toward privacy organizations."
So houston 2012, thanks for the repsonse. Congratsto you that you would have such a meeting, AND IT'S ONLY MOTOROLA USERS? Feel free to pass out the list of phones noted in my posts. Feel free to call me at 1-800-833-0101 to discuss any issue or concern. I'm in dallas, so youcan call 9-4:30
monday.
So to motorola, reps, and their counsel that must be viewing the board, I'M COMING AND HELL'S COMING WITH ME! ( wyatt earp movie!)
"Core Mobility, three companies were spun off into separate entities: Carrier IQ (with tier 1 venture backing), Fonav (acquired by Trolltech), and Speech Ink."
Smith Micro Software Announces Agreement to Acquire Core Mobilitywww.smithmicro.com/about/news-press-detail.aspx?newsid=491Cached - Similar
Sep 14, 2009 – September 14, 2009 - Proposed Transaction to Expand Industry-Leading Mobility Solutions Portfolio and Initiatives with Existing Customers.
Anyone with info, please contact me asap. All commuincations will be confidential
atty joe malley malleylaw@gmail.com
Dec 14, 2011 – Carrier IQ, the tracking software, said it's not designed to capture keystrokes or the content of messages, but in some cases that may have ...
posting a comment made by Mark Davis.
Each new article on the Carrier IQ product seems to explore new territory in fear and ignorance. Reverse engineered? A better phrase would be "vaguely understood". I deeply wish those entirely uninformed regarding technology and telephony wouldn't try so hard to appear otherwise. More deeply, I wish they would stop trolling with such nonsensical titles and hand-wringing articles. They've already awakened Al "The Kraken" Franken. What next?
Forget what you think you saw in Trevor's famous YouTube demo. You need to know something about Trevor: he works for a competitor of Carrier IQ. Really. And the demonstration he produced, the one that everyone assumes shows Carrier IQ sucking in every keystroke and sending it all to the mothership? It's a clever deception and clear indication that Trevor just didn't know what he was doing. He managed to show us what a device can do if you take it off the data network, put it in debug mode, stick a USB cable into its side, and read the Android debug messages when set to verbose. If that's how you use your phone, then I guess you may have something to worry about.
There are a few things we all need to keep in mind as we ponder the spectacle that Carrier IQ has become. One, stop kidding yourself; your carrier can see most of what you do with your handset, and they don't need Carrier IQ to see it.
They don't have much choice, since they have to handle your data to provide the service. Here's another: your carrier knows exactly where you are at all times if your device is on and you're in coverage. Again, they don't have much choice, since they have to communicate with your device. They don't need Carrier IQ for that.
They don't even need GPS, although it does improve accuracy. Heck, anybody could know your specific location using fairly pedestrian equipment, assuming they cared. One wouldn't even need the carrier network for
that.
Here's another: your carrier knows all about your text messages. Again, no choice, since they have to deliver them, for goodness sake. They don't need Carrier IQ to log them. That would be wasteful and redundant.
Here's another: law enforcement is entitled by law to everything the wireless provider knows about you so long as they have a court order (warrant), and Carrier IQ isn't necessary to obtain it. Guys like Al Franken created and maintain those laws. Telephony providers resist those laws, some more vigorously than others, not on the noble grounds of privacy protection, but because they cost companies millions of dollars to achieve compliance.
One more, and it's important: there are very few actual technical experts commenting on the Carrier IQ
situation. Just look at the content of this and other articles if you doubt me. Did you find any "reverse engineering"? Nope.
Did you find any real understanding of Carrier IQ's capabilities? Nope. Did anybody point out that Trevor's little demonstration was a misunderstanding at best and a sham at worst? Not many, and their stories weren't repeated by the trolls.
So what did EFF do, this "preeminent protector of your digital rights". Well, they didn't reverse engineer any code, because that would be "fairly hard", and they didn't examine the application database because they apparently couldn't find it.
Here's what they did: they found the application configuration file! True! Don't underestimate the technical skill necessary to locate it either. I mean, it's lying there in plain text, in plain sight... Ok, I'll lay off the
sarcasm, but you I hope you can feel my disgust.Want to see what an actual technologist has to say about Carrier IQ? Want to know what you will find if you actually know how to examine the device code? Want to
see exactly what caused all the flap, even though it's gone much too far to be undone? Want to see the much less juicy story that the trolls are ignoring? Here you go: http://goo.gl/PKOFr.
Boring, I know.I can tell you, as a technical expert, that the Carrier IQ component is neither new nor secret, and it's sure not a "keylogger" or "rootkit" as some less aware individuals (trolls) have claimed. Anybody who's been writing code for handsets has been well aware of Carrier IQ from the get-go. It's right there in plain sight. It certainly isn't revealing any juicy secrets to your carrier, the government, men in black, or any other powerful and nefarious organizations. It's a phone operating system component that serves a few particularly important purposes, and now that Sprint has blinked and is disabling it, those uses are effectively lost. Who suffers? You do.
So what great things did Carrier IQ do for the wireless customer? Here's one: cheaply identify weak signal regions in need of better coverage, perhaps a new tower. What, did you really think some guy just wandered
around your neighborhood asking, "Can you hear me now?"
Here's another: identify device performance problems before they become customer issues. Typical problems are poor battery life, low radio power, high call drop rates. Some phones have those problems more than others, and the worst way for a carrier to discover it is when they notice that 10,000 people have called in the past month with complaints, a very expensive occurrence for all involved. The best way is to detect the issue and notify the device manufacturers in advance to start work on fixes.
So what has all the Carrier IQ flap actually accomplished? It's wasted us all a lot of time and money, and when it comes down to it, the carriers are going to have to absorb those losses. That may sound harmless enough, but one big way companies "absorb" losses is by hiring less or buying less. Just a few hundred less jobs this year, except for the few temps the lawyers will hire to make bank off all the frivolous lawsuits.
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