Petition: For a hard cap on data services!

[quickinferno]

look at where technology was 3 years ago, specifically the internet 3 years ago.
usage caps have been imposed (and reduced) over the past 3 years-not increased.

internet usage, on the other hand, has increased steadily in the past 3 years-especially multimedia.

what about mobilicity then?

already in the 1 year i've been with them... they've reduced the speed to 2mbps and imposed throttled techniques... is that not the same thing?

[Ago Vino Verita]

Hahaha, he meant to say "porn." Listen messupdude, buddy, in the real world, where grown ups live, sometimes when on the go and on a laptop, one needs data and even though it might go beyond your scope, the internet and data have many different applications, some of the them, are not porn. SHOCKER! :-P

[messupdude]

LOL! Im just screwing with you guys :P Data is nice to have but I find you become to dependent on it and then you feel like you want to die after its taken away. Like having your cell phone taken away. Im aircraft engineer and everybody was taught to hit the books so maybe its just me :P By law you use the books.

[RoboCack]

Hahaha, he meant to say "porn." Listen messupdude, buddy, in the real world, where grown ups live, sometimes when on the go and on a laptop, one needs data and even though it might go beyond your scope, the internet and data have many different applications, some of the them, are not porn. SHOCKER! :-P

Ummm...What?

[buurin]

Unlimited is Mobilicity's prime premise. Unlimited is just that - no hard limit. No meter for hard caps and overages should run. At all. Minutes, number of messages, bytes of data passed, any attempts to impose limits on any of these run counter to their founding ideals. They said it - Mobi is sold as a service with no bill shock. That should be extended to say no service cut shock but that is debatable.

For managing the "unlimited" data users, lay a policy out clearly as has been said too many times. Something like this:

Block port 25 to stop email spam
Allow ports HTTP,HTTPS,SSH,FTP,IMAP,POP3,IMAP/SSL,POP3/SSL,PPTP,IPSEC etc. for all the major protocols a HSPA data user can ever legitimately use.
(See Wind's internet traffic management policy on their site for the idea)
Full speed up to 5GB, starting on start of billing cycle eg. 12th if you joined in the 12th
some reduced speed after 5GB
64kbps after 10GB
Tethering allowed subject to same policy

I booked my day off the day of Hofolicity meet. I will be there.

[exfido1997]

Just looking at the topic. How ironic is this? Are we trying to ax our own feet? How's this different from implementing UBB which we fought so hard to eliminate?

[pjw918]

How about this: "Unlimited for people who stay within the limits."

Or, 'unlimited volume for people who use reasonable volumes'.

It's a service for mobile phones! I thnk we can all agree on that.

I have no problem with the derided "within reason" qualifier, or the concept of "fair use".

And I think this solution brainstorming is useful.. there is a real, immediate problem that needs addressing. If Mobilicity management is reading these threads, which they'd better be, we are providing them with some indication of what more demanding users would find tolerable.

The long term solution for the network congestion is of course densification.

[spoon_]

Just looking at the topic. How ironic is this? Are we trying to ax our own feet? How's this different from implementing UBB which we fought so hard to eliminate?

UBB is not intrinsically evil. Bell's proposed rates were. There is nothing wrong, in principle, with paying for what you use. So long as the price is determined by a free market.

[gun26]

The problem with UBB is that the CRTC and small ISPs have no choice but to accept Bell's wildly exaggerated figures for what bandwidth costs. It's the same old telco mentality based on a scarcity model, when the Internet is in fact built on an abundance model, where the marginal cost of bandwidth approaches zero. As long as Bell's crooked accounting is taken at face value, UBB will be nonsense.

[danner_416]

Be careful of what you wish for - you might actually get it.

If you allow Mobi to put limits on the unlimited services they sold you (as 'true unlimited') then there is no telling on what they can do next. Today it's data, who knows what they might go after next... For example, you could be an abuser if you use more than 250 minutes of voice per month, or get more than ten text messages per day. It's a slippery slope that you don't want to start, the better option would be to hold them to what they sold you.

YOU purchased the service in good faith, so they should provide it. Period.

I totally agree with you. Mobi can't keep selling a product and blame the subs for enjoying what they just purchased. mobi had no right to sell products they can't honor.

Change your advertising policies or honor what you sold.

[SharpieFiend]

Hahaha, he meant to say "porn." Listen messupdude, buddy, in the real world, where grown ups live, sometimes when on the go and on a laptop, one needs data and even though it might go beyond your scope, the internet and data have many different applications, some of the them, are not porn. SHOCKER! :-P

Really? You mean I can use the internet for things that are NOT porn? Do you have any examples, because I cannot think of any...

[auditman]

how bout 2gb full speed

then cap the sucker that sucks too much bandwidth

[live_strong]

In 3 years, caps will also increase. I dont worry about 3 years in future.

look at where technology was 3 years ago, specifically the internet 3 years ago.
usage caps have been imposed (and reduced) over the past 3 years-not increased.

internet usage, on the other hand, has increased steadily in the past 3 years-especially multimedia.

does not mean technology is going backwards, it's just robellus seeing how canandians would just bend over so they keep ripping people off

exactly the point i was trying to make.

xtachx made the claim that caps will increase in 3 years, but history contradicts that.
we have gone from residential, and even mobile, internet that was unlimited to low caps.
unlimited on device browsing does not exist for non-smartphones, except grandfathered plans, replace with 100MB caps.
to further prove my point, bell recently reduced caps on a number of home internet plans last week.

[Yalbik]

I totally agree with you. Mobi can't keep selling a product and blame the subs for enjoying what they just purchased. mobi had no right to sell products they can't honor.

Change your advertising policies or honor what you sold.

I don't understand this. Maybe it's only cause I just signed up last month, but their FAQ is pretty explicit:

"How does unlimited data work?

Mobilicity will be shaping traffic. Our data services are designed to give all customers equal access to data bandwidth. If you are using data intensive services like video streaming, radio streaming, accessing large files, you may notice your service slowing down."

and

"Does Mobilicity slow down or practice data shaping of the unlimited data services?

Mobilicity does shape data traffic. We do this so that all of our customers have equal access to our data bandwidth. You will not notice any slow down if you’re accessing social networking sites, sending/receiving emails, or browsing most sites on the mobile internet. You may notice a slowdown if you’re accessing data intensive sites, heavy streaming sites (i.e. online radio stations) or large video files."

These were on the FAQ when I signed up a month ago...is this something new?

[xtachx]

exactly the point i was trying to make.

xtachx made the claim that caps will increase in 3 years, but history contradicts that.
we have gone from residential, and even mobile, internet that was unlimited to low caps.
unlimited on device browsing does not exist for non-smartphones, except grandfathered plans, replace with 100MB caps.
to further prove my point, bell recently reduced caps on a number of home internet plans last week.

Yes, but speeds increased. Look at shaw for example (my provider). 512 kbps unlimited, will give you a throughput of 165GB a month if you download 24*7. The 25Mbps plan gives you 400GB for the same price. sure its capped, but it gives you more volume.