Is it possible? I always have a strong tmobile signal and the benifits of always being near wifi helps. Is it possible? Android ICS apparanlty has SIP built in so theres no need for extra programs with GVoice right?
Yeah I've used both apps, right now my phone is a really pretty landline. What I really want to know if like I dont need to use GrooveIP or Talkatone if Im using ICS, I read the features are built in, So now Its time to flash my phone, get a working sim, and test it out
Yeah I've used both apps, right now my phone is a really pretty landline. What I really want to know if like I dont need to use GrooveIP or Talkatone if Im using ICS, I read the features are built in, So now Its time to flash my phone, get a working sim, and test it out
$30 experiment lol
You can't use Google Voice alone with a SIP client. You would have to use Google Voice and something like SIPGate to get VoIP functionality. There are several ways to do this, none as easy as using GrooveIP/Talkatone/Etc.
I've been experimenting with the $30 plan and VOIP in Chicago for just over a month. My pings on tmo are usually under 80 ms and bandwidth is between 4-15 Mbps.
Groove IP seems to work well during off peak hours, while relatively stationary. While on a train or in a moving car don't even try it.
The best setup I've used is to have Google Voice ring both Groove IP and call my phone number. If I'm on wifi, I always answer via Groove IP (works very well). If I'm not on wifi I will generally answer via non-VOIP, but may answer on VOIP if the conditions are right for a stable call.
I tried talkatone, which is in early alpha, but it's very unstable on my phone (missed calls and pressing speaker always FC's).
In principle talkatone supports VOIP protocols that or more tolerant of jitter and require half the bandwidth of Groove IP, which should make VOIP more stable.
Google Voice allows xmpp IP connections, but only using the g.711 protocol. I'm thinking a VOIP provider that allows g.729 may be the way to go. More testing needed.
if u have google voice installed and setup first, install sipdroid and there will be an option where it will automatically set up an pbxes account for you. pbxes does have g.729 but i think its unstable and premium accounts only.
u might not need sipdroid depending on your phone, gingerbread and up have native sip, in the galaxy s2 phones its hidden/removed. theres a fix for it but i think it only works on the international/non lte att models.
i set my google voice account to forward calls to google chat instead of my number and im using wifi only and no sim in the phone so i know its pure data. only thing i have no clue on is what to use for MMS.
I've used SipDroid in the past but do not remember them having direct Google Voice connectivity via XMPP.
I have this installed now. It appears to be using g.722 by default but I do see some sort of paid option for g.729. What's not clear is if GV supports (via XMPP) g.729 directly or whether pbxes.org might attempt to re-compress from g.722 -> g.729 on the fly. I wish I could try this out to see how the quality and latency is on 3G/"4G".
I don't talk a lot but when I do I will report back on my SipDroid <--> GV via XMPP experiences over Tmobile.
I tried talkatone, which is in early alpha, but it's very unstable on my phone (missed calls and pressing speaker always FC's).
In principle talkatone supports VOIP protocols that or more tolerant of jitter and require half the bandwidth of Groove IP, which should make VOIP more stable.
@7vEn You should try talkatone again. They recently released alpha4 and it seems more polished. I've used it a few times on Tmobile's $30 plan and on wifi it sounded better to me than GrooveIP. And it is also actually usable on cellular 3g/4g. Please keep us posted on this thread about your endeavors.
For those following this thread:
- I re-tested pbxes.org, direct to Google Voice, via sipgate, and via IPKall
- I saw vast improvements using the iLBC codec with CSIPGate in all cases via 3G/4G
- Some calls were great, others the call could not make out what I was saying
- Latency was an issue via pbxes.org
I have since then re-tested Talkatone, this time @ alpha4. Talkatone is very usable, over WiFi and solid 4G (T-mobile with ~ 80ms latency and 4-18 Mbps throughput available here). There is still some delay, which causes a little bit of overtalking. It's obvious but at the same time usable. Call quality is nearly equivalent to landline.
Alpha4 lacks polish but it's by far the best solution at the moment.
Alpha4 lacks polish but it's by far the best solution at the moment.
You'd be correct. I misspoke. Polished was not the correct word to use. They seemed to have worked on optimizing their server-side compression/codec and how the app interfaces with it. That's really what I was trying to say. They also added features not previously included such as SMS, Facebook support and a status bar icon.
Their iOS app is far more polished and I hope the Android app will achieve that in the near future.
I am glad to see that others are getting the same results as I have with Talkatone. I really would like to see these Voip solutions evolve to be competitive when compared to mobile providers' offering.
For others following the thread, please chime in and let us know your experiences and what has worked for you. Thanks for your feedback!
I have tried about everything there is. The best solutions right now are:
1. gVoice
2. Talkatone
3. GrooveIP
They all use your preconfigured GV account and apart from Talkatone, which compresses the conversation to allow narrowband, all use the G711u codec in the USA. gVoice and Groove are configurable as to audio and speech volumes, and as such, I can get better conversations, esp over Wifi. Data is hit or miss, depending on the latency at the time. Talkatone echoes for me really badly right now but my Exhibit II has a sensitive mic.
Viber is another app that compresses the data and allows for narrowband conversations. I like this one but it depends on the person at the other end also running the software. It integrates with native Android great, though.
I even bought the Bria for Android app with G729 codec and used it with my Viatalk account. It's not good over 4G, which is where it should shine. Weird...
Agreed - the carrier should allow free calls over Wifi. It's just a matter of time before every call gets routed over data anyway. In the meantime, we keep playing...
Viber is another app that compresses the data and allows for narrowband conversations. I like this one but it depends on the person at the other end also running the software. It integrates with native Android great, though.
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Agreed - the carrier should allow free calls over Wifi. It's just a matter of time before every call gets routed over data anyway. In the meantime, we keep playing...
I agree Viber is very impressive but it is limited to only other Viber users.
Tmobile is the only carrier I have seen support free calls & text over Wifi with their Wifi-Calling app (that is if you are a Postpaid customer; Prepaid customers have minutes deducted from their plan just like a regular cellular call). BTW, the call quality on Wifi-Calling is very good.
You know what...I noticed that too the other day. I initially thought it might be a glitch or they were updating it but if it still isn't appearing today then for some reason it was pulled from the market (either by the developer or Google).
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