I'm really getting tired of the WP bashing

[Kies]

The biggest problem with older Android devices (IMO, ones with less than 1GB of ram) are that they run out enough free trying to keep background services happy. Nexus S and all of it's related kin included.


My biggest problem with my Dell Venue Pro is how some things take forEVER to load.. not sure why but I can be looking at the marketplace for minutes before it loads up on WiFi or 3G. Some apps don't run well in the background like Tune In.. and the app selection is limited. Browsing is OK but even with WP7 optimizations my dual core Galaxy S 2 kills WP7 when it comes to browsing the web. I also got messages about not having enough memory and too many background services but WP7 gave me the option to disable some. WP7 is not bad especially compared to the mid-range Android phones. 512MB of ram is just not enough. That's where all of the sluggishness and force closes come from. 1GB of app storage should also be standard.. but it hasn't been.

[ryan s]

I disagree again. All of my Android devices run as smooth as silk, and I can upload a video to prove it.

FYI. The Skype app is very poorly written, and I had many issues with it. Seems they haphazardly pieced it together just to get something out.

Same with Facebook when I had it installed, now I just use the mobile site.

My main device is nowhere near top of the line (evo shift) but runs stable and smooth.

Sent from my Evo Shift -Tapatalk

This is, in my opinion, the chief irony in this discussion (don't take it personally--let me explain )...

For me, WP7.5 itself runs sooooo well. But a third-party YouTube client crashed the phone once. Some apps will be going fine, then just close. Some freeze. Even IMDB didn't work reliably, and that's an official MS app...though they rolled out an update a few days ago.

So the irony is that people don't choose WP for the "lack" of apps (up to 60,000 MS-approved apps now ) yet some key apps on Android/iOS don't even work right.

[IsLand_BoY]

I just recently bought the HTC Radar 4G on T-Mo and it's my first experience with WP. WinMo was complete rubbish (my TP2 is pretty much brand new in the box) and I thought I'd never try another Windows phone. The overwhelming number of 5-star reviews on T-Mo of the Radar made me curious so I snagged one for a good price.

I'm pretty impressed. I started of with BB from 4.5 onto 5.0, had an iPhone, then had an Android (still had my BB though) and finally upgraded to the Galaxy S II as my only phone.

I found Windows Phone to be very responsive and it just works. I was initially turned off by the lack of customization (I've rooted my Android phones and like to customize them) but got over that once I started using the phone.

I think WP has a bright future ahead of itself. It's the perfect OS for those who just want their phone to work. I don't understand why people get so worked up over things like their phones' OS -- as long as we're happy with what we have, it's all G. I love that my Galaxy S II on Android is setup *exactly* how I want it with widgets, wallpaper, apps etc.. But I also love the simplicity of my Radar on WP.

[ryan s]

I put up with WinMo for exactly one month.

That's a huge reason I really like WP...it's the polar opposite of WM. It just...works. I'm tired of seeing WP billed as a "beginner's" smartphone just because you can't view the CPU's core temp on the home screen (or whatever...dual core this, 1GB RAM that...). It checks the same boxes that makes a smartphone "smart."

I've been tempted to pick up a Radar, myself, to use with TMo's $30/5GB prepaid plan even though I don't have 4G coverage. Cool part would be hopping from the Focus to the Radar and having a consistent, stable experience

[IOWA]

I put up with WinMo for exactly one month.

That's a huge reason I really like WP...it's the polar opposite of WM. It just...works. I'm tired of seeing WP billed as a "beginner's" smartphone just because you can't view the CPU's core temp on the home screen (or whatever...dual core this, 1GB RAM that...). It checks the same boxes that makes a smartphone "smart."

I've been tempted to pick up a Radar, myself, to use with TMo's $30/5GB prepaid plan even though I don't have 4G coverage. Cool part would be hopping from the Focus to the Radar and having a consistent, stable experience

I'm sorry, but WP7 can't accomplish half of what my Android does. Neither does iOS for that matter.

Which is why I was dissapointed with WP7.

Sent from my Evo Shift -Tapatalk

[lvmychryblsmrzr]

Not flaming, just curious. What besides being able to be rooted can Android do that WP7 can't? So far, my WP7 has been able to accomplish everything I need it to but I don't always get to use all the features of my smart phones.

Sent from my Radar 4G via the HowardForums WP7 App

[IOWA]

For me, its the sheer amount of automation that stands out. Quoted from one of my other posts:

I'm sorry, but I must disagree. Part of the allure of Android itself is the customization that we can do, and the fact that we can set up our phones to perform the tasks we frequently do the fastest. An example of this customization is this.

For instance, when I get home, my phone turns on airplane mode, then turns on wifi, then logs me into GrooveIP and connects to my Wifi network. And it does this all... automatically. Without any interaction from me, in the background, by itself. Text messages/voicemails are routed through Google Voice (Sprint integration ftw!) and all phone calls are routed through GrooveIP. This allows me to not be connected to Sprints network in any way shape or form, and still have a fully functional phone while getting great battery life because the "tower" is in my living room.

When my phone disconnects from my Wifi network it automatically disables Airplane mode, turns off GrooveIP, and it's back to normal. When I leave my home, wifi is automatically turned off and GPS is automatically turned on (for remote tracking purposes. GPS also turns itself off at work, and a few other locations I picked, and the it turns itself back on when I leave those areas. Also, at some of those locations my phone will turn wifi automatically on/off.).

My phone also logs every single call & text message to a Google Calender I set up.

It also backs itself up automatically at night (a complete NAND backup using Rom Manager), and deletes backups older than 7 days.

But wait, there's more!

What good is a NANDroid if it's not backed up somewhere else right?

Well, guess what. More automated solutions. My phone automatically backs up the contents of my SD card to home network, which is then synced to my personal server in Los Angeles ( I live in Chicago) automatically in an encrypted format.

But wait, even more.

It just doesn't back up the SD card in it's entirety. At my discretion, all my media (photos, songs, etc) are downloaded to my device at the same time. All the media that goes to the phone, is not backed up thus reducing overhead. It also only makes a transfer on a file by file basis, only if the file is different one either end depending on which way the sync transfer is programmed to.

Oh, and to top it all off, it does this all automatically, without my interaction, wirelessly.

Everything I just said is done completely by itself, and amazing feat to say the least. And it doesn't lag my phone either.

Sent from my Evo Shift -Tapatalk

Sent from my Evo Shift -Tapatalk

[IsLand_BoY]

I put up with WinMo for exactly one month.

That's a huge reason I really like WP...it's the polar opposite of WM. It just...works. I'm tired of seeing WP billed as a "beginner's" smartphone just because you can't view the CPU's core temp on the home screen (or whatever...dual core this, 1GB RAM that...). It checks the same boxes that makes a smartphone "smart."

I've been tempted to pick up a Radar, myself, to use with TMo's $30/5GB prepaid plan even though I don't have 4G coverage. Cool part would be hopping from the Focus to the Radar and having a consistent, stable experience

Well, look at it this way.. I consider the iPhone a "beginner's" smartphone too just because it's simple. That trait is not necessarily a bad thing when said about WP, because a lot of people just want it to work. It was hard work getting my friends to convert over to BB because there were way too many options for everything. I'm waiting for the Lumia to drop a little in price so I can get one for my aunt. She needs something simple that just works. She desperately needs a bigger screen, a camera with AF, and something that can do a portrait style keyboard.

Can anyone recommend a cheaper WP handset? I'm thinking of the Dell Venue Pro, I'm kind of digging the keyboard. I'd be buying it full price.

[Kies]

The DVP is a good value and an extremely solid phone. Reception leaves much to be desired but it's very nice otherwise.

[rambo47]

Even my old BlackBerry (that I'm no longer using) can do a local sync with Microsoft Outlook. WP7 phones still cannot do this without buying a third-party app that works only some of the time. Pretty ironic considering WP7 and Outlook are both Microsoft products.

[alpinestars]

Even my old BlackBerry (that I'm no longer using) can do a local sync with Microsoft Outlook. WP7 phones still cannot do this without buying a third-party app that works only some of the time. Pretty ironic considering WP7 and Outlook are both Microsoft products.

It's probably because WP7 is aimed at consumers rather than the enterprise market. Then again, WP7 is still in its infancy compared to iOS and Android. I'm sure Microsoft will add features like that in the future.

[IOWA]

It's probably because WP7 is aimed at consumers rather than the enterprise market. Then again, WP7 is still in its infancy compared to iOS and Android. I'm sure Microsoft will add features like that in the future.

I hope microsoft gets their ball together and makes it fantastic. I think they need to ditch steve balmer first though. Guy has no vision like Gates or Jobs

Sent from my Evo Shift -Tapatalk

[nyamo]

I ran with wp7 for a few months waiting for the sgs2. And i liked what i saw. My only complaint would be no plug and play like the old winmo days. Having to use zune for everything became annoying. If that was changed i would consider it again

[alpinestars]

I hope microsoft gets their ball together and makes it fantastic. I think they need to ditch steve balmer first though. Guy has no vision like Gates or Jobs

Sent from my Evo Shift -Tapatalk

Yeah, I don't really like him either lol.

[KingBuzzo]

It's probably because WP7 is aimed at consumers rather than the enterprise market. Then again, WP7 is still in its infancy compared to iOS and Android. I'm sure Microsoft will add features like that in the future.

doubtful - it would be foolish to download your mail and locally sync it to your phone (like its 1999) when it can stay safely in the cloud claude

& yes, it does support Exchange ActiveSync for the enterprise

seriously, we're 18mo into WP7 and still so many misconceptions...