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    Quote Originally Posted by KingBuzzo View Post
    doubtful - it would be foolish to download your mail and locally sync it to your phone (like its 1999) when it can stay safely in the cloud claude

    & yes, it does support Exchange ActiveSync for the enterprise

    seriously, we're 18mo into WP7 and still so many misconceptions...
    Foolish? There isn't connectivity everywhere, and data outages aren't uncommon. What's foolish is not utilizing the strengths of both of the methods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingBuzzo View Post
    doubtful - it would be foolish to download your mail and locally sync it to your phone (like its 1999) when it can stay safely in the cloud claude

    & yes, it does support Exchange ActiveSync for the enterprise

    seriously, we're 18mo into WP7 and still so many misconceptions...
    Never mind email, how about contacts and calendar? If you want to keep your contacts list up to date on your pc and phone, for some folks (a lot of folks!) a local sync is the only way. They don't use the cloud, or even have access to it. The Lumia 710 was geared to first-time smartphone users. Half of them probably don't even know what the cloud is, let alone want to put their information in somebody else's hands. A local sync once per day or even once per week will give them backup and an easy way to keep their contacts list up to date. Calendar too. I guess they're just S.O.L., huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rambo47 View Post
    Never mind email, how about contacts and calendar? If you want to keep your contacts list up to date on your pc and phone, for some folks (a lot of folks!) a local sync is the only way. They don't use the cloud, or even have access to it. The Lumia 710 was geared to first-time smartphone users. Half of them probably don't even know what the cloud is, let alone want to put their information in somebody else's hands. A local sync once per day or even once per week will give them backup and an easy way to keep their contacts list up to date. Calendar too. I guess they're just S.O.L., huh?
    WOW! Nail on the head! +1

    You just pointed out a VERY important part of selling smartphones in emerging markets that many around here seem to miss:

    -Data costs and consumption.
    In most countries data is expensive, network coverage is shaky and unlike in 1st world countries there isnt free Wifi everywhere, and if MS+Nokia plan on penetrating these emerging markets they need to take that into account.
    As someone who lives in an emerging country i personaly am lucky that my parents are able to afford me all the gadgets, data etc...that i want whilest im in university, they are absolute luxuries, as majority of people here cant afford to be paying for 1gb a month for their smartphone to stay synced to the cloud as data costs are incredibly high, so the whole "Cloud" thing is a bit impractical at this point to be the only option, local sync is a must, its the same in India, Brazil, Chile, Malaysia etc...
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    Agreed. Therefore I have opted in WP Suggestion Box to add direct Outlook sync. I am used to Windows Mobile's Activesync.
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    You're doing it wrong Claude...

    That is how simple folks lose their entire lives because it isn't in the cloud...

    If you must use Outlook (a poor choice for the consumer), you use any cloud e-mail service, install the connector (eg: Hotmail Connector) and then boom, you stuff is safe and completely available from any device.

    Just because it is 'in the cloud' doesn't mean it isn't available offline - seriously, look into it if you care about your stuff.

    Emgerging markets have had better wireless infrastructure than a lot of first world markets have had for years. They are unique as they the phone is a luxury but it is also their everything (pc, tv, landline, internet, etc, etc).

    They could give a crap about syncing Outlook and they would just buy a dumbphone if a dataplan wasn't possible.

    Local ActiveStync is never coming back...

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    I didnt jump right on android because I was a wm user waiting for wp7 & wanted the tp3. Data plans requirements also kept me away android at the time. I liked ms's approach on bypassing the carrier bloatware,having min specs,& the idea of faster updates.. I was all for it untill all the rumors of basically copying iphone were proven true. Some wp7 users are quick to point out androids/iphones problems but refuse to acknowledge wp7 shortcomings by saying they dont care for it or its not needed. Just because ms choose to build upon kin to a certain extent doesnt mean thats an excuse to leave out missing features. Im still interested in wp7 & watch out for updates. Improvments within all the software/hardware makers breeds competion & helps to insure a better overall experience regardless of os.

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    While that's a fair point, here's how I see it.

    On the OS front, Android is just too unreliable - it freezes, lags, crashes, uses data without permission, sends personal information in clear text, and so on. BlackBerry OS has the same problem, particularly starting around OS5, except it doesn't send personal info in clear text.

    iOS on the software level is reliable, but iPhones aren't, and with the mandatory upgrade cycle/planned obsolescence, you have to get a new one every 2 years. The iPhone 3G and 3GS had a good hardware design (copying Nokia's antenna patents didn't hurt), but the iPhone 4 had reception problems, the 4S has only mitigated them and has battery life problems. Sticking to iOS4 isn't really an option anymore and iOS5 is slow as a dog on the 3GS. One size just doesn't fit all. If Apple had some different designs for the phones so you could avoid one problem by selecting a different model, that might work better (and actually does as so far there hasn't been anything wrong with the iPod touch line), but on a hardware level, it's not reliable as a phone.

    That really only leaves Windows Phone. It isn't yet the greatest in all areas, but in the areas that really count, it doesn't suck.
    The word 'Pentaband' means '5 Bands', from the Greek word 'pente' meaning '5'. For a phone to be pentaband it has to support 5 bands. If the phone has AWS support, it doesn't automatically mean that it is pentaband. The reason Wind and Mobilicity users like pentaband phones is because the reverse is true. We're not the only ones who like pentaband phones though, so please stop referring to phones that work on Wind and Mobilicity as pentaband. It causes unnecessary cofusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by migo View Post
    While that's a fair point, here's how I see it.

    On the OS front, Android is just too unreliable - it freezes, lags, crashes, uses data without permission, sends personal information in clear text, and so on. BlackBerry OS has the same problem, particularly starting around OS5, except it doesn't send personal info in clear text.

    iOS on the software level is reliable, but iPhones aren't, and with the mandatory upgrade cycle/planned obsolescence, you have to get a new one every 2 years. The iPhone 3G and 3GS had a good hardware design (copying Nokia's antenna patents didn't hurt), but the iPhone 4 had reception problems, the 4S has only mitigated them and has battery life problems. Sticking to iOS4 isn't really an option anymore and iOS5 is slow as a dog on the 3GS. One size just doesn't fit all. If Apple had some different designs for the phones so you could avoid one problem by selecting a different model, that might work better (and actually does as so far there hasn't been anything wrong with the iPod touch line), but on a hardware level, it's not reliable as a phone.

    That really only leaves Windows Phone. It isn't yet the greatest in all areas, but in the areas that really count, it doesn't suck.
    I havent had those issues on the stock rom far as crashing & freezing with the mytouch 4g slide outside of beta apps & apps not designed for my phone. Far has the permissions & data use there are afew apps prevent it from occurring but you have to be rooted to use them. I wish they would include those apps stock especially for the users that download everything all willie nillie.

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    Not everyone will have each problem, but some of them will be present for everyone, and they're truly deal killers with the availability of something better. Obviously WP isn't down at the price points Android is hitting, nothing really matches the LG Optimus One in the $150 and under range, and it'll take some time for even Tango phones to hit that price point, so there are a couple situations where you've got a price constraint but still want smartphone features where Android delivers and rooting and installing custom ROMs can solve your issues, but that's really only for technically inclined users.

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    Quote Originally Posted by migo View Post
    While that's a fair point, here's how I see it.

    On the OS front, Android is just too unreliable - it freezes, lags, crashes, uses data without permission, sends personal information in clear text, and so on. BlackBerry OS has the same problem, particularly starting around OS5, except it doesn't send personal info in clear text.

    iOS on the software level is reliable, but iPhones aren't, and with the mandatory upgrade cycle/planned obsolescence, you have to get a new one every 2 years. The iPhone 3G and 3GS had a good hardware design (copying Nokia's antenna patents didn't hurt), but the iPhone 4 had reception problems, the 4S has only mitigated them and has battery life problems. Sticking to iOS4 isn't really an option anymore and iOS5 is slow as a dog on the 3GS. One size just doesn't fit all. If Apple had some different designs for the phones so you could avoid one problem by selecting a different model, that might work better (and actually does as so far there hasn't been anything wrong with the iPod touch line), but on a hardware level, it's not reliable as a phone.

    That really only leaves Windows Phone. It isn't yet the greatest in all areas, but in the areas that really count, it doesn't suck.
    Granted I'm a power user, but I haven't had any of those issues outside of the first generation (cupcake) devices. But to be fair, none of the first generation devices from any platform have been spectacular, and they've all had their own snags.

    In short, you're over generalizing, and if you spent any decent amount of time with a recent Android handset you'd know that. The thing that kept me away from WP7 to this day is it still doesn't have the functionality or usefulness of the old WinMo phones, and by today's standards, it has more in common with a feature phone than a true smartphone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by migo View Post
    While that's a fair point, here's how I see it.

    On the OS front, Android is just too unreliable - it freezes, lags, crashes, uses data without permission, sends personal information in clear text, and so on. BlackBerry OS has the same problem, particularly starting around OS5, except it doesn't send personal info in clear text.

    iOS on the software level is reliable, but iPhones aren't, and with the mandatory upgrade cycle/planned obsolescence, you have to get a new one every 2 years. The iPhone 3G and 3GS had a good hardware design (copying Nokia's antenna patents didn't hurt), but the iPhone 4 had reception problems, the 4S has only mitigated them and has battery life problems. Sticking to iOS4 isn't really an option anymore and iOS5 is slow as a dog on the 3GS. One size just doesn't fit all. If Apple had some different designs for the phones so you could avoid one problem by selecting a different model, that might work better (and actually does as so far there hasn't been anything wrong with the iPod touch line), but on a hardware level, it's not reliable as a phone.

    That really only leaves Windows Phone. It isn't yet the greatest in all areas, but in the areas that really count, it doesn't suck.
    Havent had any of those issues with my Androids since i had 1.6 on my X10,since 2.1 its been very smooth sailing. My GS2 and GT10.1 havent EVER froze, or rebooted, Android has been incredibly reliable and has proved to be a seriously powerful tool.

    I updated my mother's 2yrld iPhone3GS to iOS5 and its running very smooth for her, she's even chosen not to get a 4S and is waiting for the iP5, as she recently got a BB Torch9810 anyway.

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    Unfortunately, the only hope for WP was Nokia and there's little chance that will be a success. Same scenario as with the Treo when they started using Windows OS - this will probably lead to the same result. Its a shame as Nokia makes good hardware - they chose a bad OS...

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    I'm not overgeneralising. Just check out #droidrage on twitter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by migo View Post
    I'm not overgeneralising. Just check out #droidrage on twitter.
    Lol... from who, people who have either a.) Seriously outdated hardware b.) People who expect their phone to run 18 widgets 21 apps and stream media at the same time?

    You have to be realistic here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by neoelectrex View Post
    Lol... from who, people who have either a.) Seriously outdated hardware b.) People who expect their phone to run 18 widgets 21 apps and stream media at the same time?

    You have to be realistic here...

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    Just because you haven't experienced those issues, doesn't make them implausible. I had a Samsung Behold II. Horrid phone, but first gen android, not that it gives it a pass but at least understandable to some extend. But my wife's Samsung Sidekick 4g, bought last April, required a minimum of 2 battery pulls a day, the screen often became unresponsive (usually when answering a call or a typing a text), random oddities with the screen self touching, and lag 10 secs sometimes when you hit the home key. Some of those issues were made better with the latest update that was 8 months after the devices launch, but many still remain. There are legions of people with the same problem. That phone was a Galaxy s 4g class phone and it certainly was at least 3rd generation android. There are lots of other androids with issues as well. On the other hand, my Nexus One running Miui is reasonably stable and that is with a beta rom. My Mytouch4G slide dual core phone still has noticeable lag, perhaps the sense on there slows it down. So there are certainly still androids with problems, as with any OS.

    On the other hand, I am still pleasantly please everytime I throw my sim card in my WP7 at how stable the thing is, how smooth it is, and how I don't have to do anything to it to deal with the quirks of android, just to get it to work right. But what do I know There are no agreements in matters of taste.

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