Reply With QuoteThen your definition of 'smart' means constant batt pulling and lagging on your self-punishing nerd phone...
We'll take WP everytime...
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Phone Expert
But the argument still stands. WP7 isn't built for the heavy or even power user. It's built for the feature phone crowd who want to say they have a 'smart phone'. Hence the bashing.Originally Posted by cyberstoic
Just because you haven't experienced those issues, doesn't make them implausible. I had a Samsung Behold II. Horrid phone, but first gen android, not that it gives it a pass but at least understandable to some extend. But my wife's Samsung Sidekick 4g, bought last April, required a minimum of 2 battery pulls a day, the screen often became unresponsive (usually when answering a call or a typing a text), random oddities with the screen self touching, and lag 10 secs sometimes when you hit the home key. Some of those issues were made better with the latest update that was 8 months after the devices launch, but many still remain. There are legions of people with the same problem. That phone was a Galaxy s 4g class phone and it certainly was at least 3rd generation android. There are lots of other androids with issues as well. On the other hand, my Nexus One running Miui is reasonably stable and that is with a beta rom. My Mytouch4G slide dual core phone still has noticeable lag, perhaps the sense on there slows it down. So there are certainly still androids with problems, as with any OS.
On the other hand, I am still pleasantly please everytime I throw my sim card in my WP7 at how stable the thing is, how smooth it is, and how I don't have to do anything to it to deal with the quirks of android, just to get it to work right. But what do I know
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Then your definition of 'smart' means constant batt pulling and lagging on your self-punishing nerd phone...
We'll take WP everytime...
Phone Collector
I think WP has great potential. I hope for the sake of the OS and competition in general that they iron out the kinks like mms soon.
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Phone Expert
Lol. I don't have to batt pull, and my 2 year old phone is faster than the newest WP7, gauranteed. Not to mention it does more, much more, which I've already stated in this thread.
Try again.
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Radiation is good
It's insulting to call WP7 a glorified feature phone. I would gather that so then is the iPhone since it also has a user friendly UI? Just because it does not need to be hacked, rooted and modded for it to function properly does not mean it does not fit the criteria for being a smartphone.
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To heck with flowers and candy, leave the jewelry at the store, but when it comes to cell phones, I always want one more.
Phone Expert
Hacking/modding has nothing to do with being a smartphone. Before iOS5, the iDevices were also barely what you could call a modern smart phone. The fact is, iOS/WP7 is still catching up to what Symbian, WinMo, and now Android have been doing for years already. Insulting? No. Accurate? Yes.
EDIT: let me ask you something. When did you begin using 'smartphones'. What was your first 'smartphone'?
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[QUOTE=neoelectrex;14710462]Hacking/modding has nothing to do with being a smartphone. Before iOS5, the iDevices were also barely what you could call a modern smart phone. The fact is, iOS/WP7 is still catching up to what Symbian, WinMo, and now Android have been doing for years already. Insulting? No. Accurate? Yes.
EDIT: let me ask you something. When did you begin using 'smartphones'. What was your first 'smartphone'?
My first smartphone was an I-Mate K-Jam running WM5 and that's going back about five years. Secondly, I am well aware of what constitutes a smartphone as I used to sell the things for a living. I've used all of the OS platforms out there from Symbian to Blackberry to IOS to WM5, 6.1 and 6.5 and of course, Android. So far the only phone/platform I have used that I have not lost patience with is my WP7. As for being power users, my husband uses an HD7 for both business and leisure. Considering he is in upper management, he needs a phone that just works and works well. We are both what you would consider power users who rely on our devices heavily 24/7. Being patronizing without having all the facts is a less than comely behavior by the way.
I've climbed a cellphone tower
This is like Windows vs OSX vs Linux. On the surface, OSX is simple. Linux is powerful. Windows (for me anyway) always works.
Each is designed to provide different user experiences. For innovations sake, we need all 3. Instead of wasting energy insulting each, praise the good of each and clamor that the good from each spread to all. Seriously, you like something from OSX or WP7? Get it written into Android. Vice versa.
My screen is bigger than yours
I don't even know how to respond to this appropriately. What makes a "power user"? I use my phone for business and it allows me to be productive with a minimum of effort and a maximum of efficacy. On the other hand, with my androids, I have flashed more roms than you will ever dream of doing on so many android phones I have lost count. Am I a "power user" or a "heavy user"? Honestly I am really tired of looking for roms so that the phone is stable and usable as a phone. I am tired of the lag, the instability, the touchwiz, the bloat, the lag (did I mention that twice?). What makes a "power user"? I have modified roms and done my own kangs so that I could cherry pick the features I needed. If I am not a power user, then pray tell, what is?
And since you seem to think you are the one defining the debate, what, exactly, constitutes a "smart phone" in your estimation"? You seem to say what you don't like is not it, but what is it?
Sometimes, the reliability and stability give you the freedom and framework to allow you do be truly free to just use it to be productive without having to spend your life customizing it so it works. Who is the power user then? And who is truly "smart" then?
My screen is bigger than yours
Your prolly pulling-it right now...
Nobody believes you because you play whack-an-app on your circa Windows 3.11 grid of apps multi-tasking batt pulls and force-closes...
Why yes, that is a bag phone
I am not a fan of the cloud biz .. Symbian gives me the option to back up my contacts locally on a PC, which is what I like to use for the most part. Same with transferring files, i need that USB drag/drop deal to be available. Anyway.. before I see this on a WP7 phone it will be really hard for me to go there..
Until then.. Symbian Belle will do just fine
otherwise, it seem very stable,fluid, and easy to use..
Mobile Pro
If I had twitter I'd be a part of this droidrage too. I'm not trying to run crysis in my phone. I would just like to talk on Skype and browse Facebook at the same time.
At this point in time its just ridiculously slow... and I'm running ics straight from Google.
Mobile Pro
Thankfully for us the power users don't move this industry
Phone Expert
Wrong, power users of any product have always paved the way for the less technically inclined.
Don't blame Android. Blame skype and facebook. Both are very poorly written ports from iOS.
Even though I never personally used Symbian I've seen it in action many years ago and was always impressed with it. It still holds up to todays standards as an OS and that is impressive. Too bad nokia abandoned it.I am not a fan of the cloud biz .. Symbian gives me the option to back up my contacts locally on a PC, which is what I like to use for the most part. Same with transferring files, i need that USB drag/drop deal to be available. Anyway.. before I see this on a WP7 phone it will be really hard for me to go there..
Until then.. Symbian Belle will do just fine
otherwise, it seem very stable,fluid, and easy to use..
Lol bitter much? If Android was like this you wouldn't see its adoption growing at his astronomical rate it is, nor would Microsoft/Apple fear it so much. Furthermore recent studies show that Android is far more stable than it's counter parts. I'll find the link to the study and post it later, but I'm sure if you googled it you'd find it.
Yes! Competition is good, and that's why I'm interested in all the operating systems. If something surpasses Android, I'd switch, simple as that. =D. Just like my transition from PalmOS to WinMo to Android.
I somehow doubt you've flashed more ROMS than me on different devices. My computers literally have drivers for nearly every Android handset out there from flashing roms, CDMA workshop, flashing carriers, etc. Try again. I've rooted over 600 handsets (many the same model) and ROM'd most of those. Don't believe me? I don't care.
Again, as far as stability goes Android is at the top of the list whether you believe it or not.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomiogeron/2012/02/02/does-ios-crash-more-than-android-a-data-dive/
Id say Forbes is a pretty reliable source, although no source is infallible. Either way statistics don't lie, and if anything this proves Androids "instability" issues are highly exaggerated.
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My screen is bigger than yours
Every time I turn around you can get androids for a penny at Costco and Amazon. That couldn't have anything to do with sales or popularity? Just asking.
I absolutely believe you that you have lots of experience and are well skilled. It is an accomplishment and well earned.
I don't believe that study regarding OS stability. I read through the articles regarding it but have not had time to read through how the data was collected, and the basis of comparison they are using. Perhaps that study is indeed accurate, but I will see when I read through it and how it was conducted. Based on perception of users that I observe, it would not seem to be so and so, to me at least, does not appear to have face validity, but I will keep an open mind and see what is what. If android is indeed more stable, then I pity iphone owners.
I don't know the stability rate of iOS, and don't use one so it would be hard for me to objectively say other than the experience of many co-workers that use it. I do, however, have lots of experience with android stability and for all the devices I have owned with both stock roms and custom roms and for the most part I have found it lacking. That is my experience, it is obviously different than yours.
EDIT: Apologies to the mods for straying off thread.
I read through that study from Crittercism. Nice advertisement for their service. They put enough disclaimers in regarding all the variables they cannot control to negate the findings themselves, but in any case, a cursory look at it tells me:
1. This is a study of APP stability. Not OS stability. It gives me an indication of app performance, not how stable android/iphone is.
2. In the highest of their quartiles, being top tier apps, there is no statistical difference between iwhatever/android. It is in the second tier apps where there is a huge difference. Were I an iphone user I would avoid those and stay top shelf.
3. Crittercism co-mingles iphone/ipad/ipod data.
4. They cannot control for data connection availability, network conditions, signal strength, having too many apps open and overloading memory and so many other variables as to make their findings somewhat questionable.
Those are the most immediate that come to mind but I am sure a more detailed reading might yield others.
But in any case, what does it matter? There are no agreements in matters of taste, or at least that is what the Romans used to say. But back to the thread, my perception is that my WP7 phones are more stable, hahahaha and these guys at crittercism didn't include wp7.
Last edited by cyberstoic; 02-04-2012 at 09:03 AM. Reason: Added info
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