I'm really getting tired of the WP bashing

[Crav4Speed]

I always laugh when people defend droid and Google. Google is the worst company ever and will not ever give 2 sh*ts about the end user! Bash Microsoft and Apple all you want but their closed platforms have created the most consistent and stable ecosystems and their products are only getting better and better for the end user whereas droid is getting worse! These closed systems mean they don't make their money off advertising by gathering your personal information and selling it to the highest bidder. These closed systems also mean better security for the end user whether you're a novice or an expert in smartphones. There was a report recently issued that found that malware in droid was up 3,325%!!! LOL!! What about the vulnerability recently found in all webkit browsers? Because of Microsoft's "stubbornness" to develop their own rendering engine, the WP7 web browser is found to be the only secure browser!!! The steps Microsoft has taken recently to interact with their customers and developers for feedback blows every other company out of the water! Who can I contact at Google for help or to complain to about their products? No one because they could care less! The new smartphone consumer is, to be quite honest, an idiot, and what Apple and Microsoft have done is idiot-proof their products. The new smartphone consumer doesn't care about flashing their phone for a better user experience. They need something that is fun to use and works!

At the end of the day, all three are companies that are in business to make money for the stockholders. Google just does it in a despicable way! I truly hope Microsoft and Apple chew Google to death then spit them out for the rats to devour!

P.S. In case you didn't notice, I'm a Microsoft fanboy... Once Windows 8 and WP8 come out, everyone else better watch out. Microsoft is going to destroy everything else!!!

[nerdydesi]

As soon as Verizon can get an LTE WP7 model in their ranks, I'll finally give the OS a try. I will not ditch my grandfathered, unlimited data until they take it away from me themselves.

WP7 seems to have a small, but extremely vocal number of supporters and fanboys. With all the praise they keep piling onto this OS, I'm genuinely curious to try it out. You'd think it was the best O.S ever made, smartphone or not!

[IOWA]

I always laugh when people defend droid and Google. Google is the worst company ever and will not ever give 2 sh*ts about the end user! Bash Microsoft and Apple all you want but their closed platforms have created the most consistent and stable ecosystems and their products are only getting better and better for the end user whereas droid is getting worse! These closed systems mean they don't make their money off advertising by gathering your personal information and selling it to the highest bidder. These closed systems also mean better security for the end user whether you're a novice or an expert in smartphones. There was a report recently issued that found that malware in droid was up 3,325%!!! LOL!! What about the vulnerability recently found in all webkit browsers? Because of Microsoft's "stubbornness" to develop their own rendering engine, the WP7 web browser is found to be the only secure browser!!! The steps Microsoft has taken recently to interact with their customers and developers for feedback blows every other company out of the water! Who can I contact at Google for help or to complain to about their products? No one because they could care less! The new smartphone consumer is, to be quite honest, an idiot, and what Apple and Microsoft have done is idiot-proof their products. The new smartphone consumer doesn't care about flashing their phone for a better user experience. They need something that is fun to use and works!

At the end of the day, all three are companies that are in business to make money for the stockholders. Google just does it in a despicable way! I truly hope Microsoft and Apple chew Google to death then spit them out for the rats to devour!

P.S. In case you didn't notice, I'm a Microsoft fanboy... Once Windows 8 and WP8 come out, everyone else better watch out. Microsoft is going to destroy everything else!!!

If you really believe these fallacies then... I don't know. You just need more education. Apple & Microsoft gather just as much information FYI, if not more.

They don't have an interest in advertising? Are you kidding me? Ever hear of iAd? Bing?

And yeah, Apple/Microsoft did idiot proof their phones, thus crippling them. I'm not an Idiot, so I prefer something more advanced, and more capable. As for Google products, its pretty hard to complain about free. Really, it is.

Not to mention as someone in the Web industry, every browser built by Microsoft sucks, and sucks bad. Developers (generally) hate all versions of IE.

More secure? Please. Let's see Microsoft offer up a 60k bounty to crack IE like Google does with it's browsers. Why does Google do this? Because if someone cracks it, the cracker gets paid, and the loophole gets fixed damn near instantly.

On top of that, a rendering engine has little to do with security in the first place, as most browser cracks are done via third party plug-ins, which Google (and Mozilla) both sandbox for security.

Generally speaking, the new smartphone consumer doesn't even need a smartphone. Smartphones should not be dumbed down, otherwise they aren't very smart, now are they?

Oh, and sorry Mod. Wasn't meant as a personal attack.

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[Steve Adams]

If you really believe these fallacies then... I don't know. You just need more education. Apple & Microsoft gather just as much information FYI, if not more.

They don't have an interest in advertising? Are you kidding me? Ever hear of iAd? Bing?

And yeah, Apple/Microsoft did idiot proof their phones, thus crippling them. I'm not an Idiot, so I prefer something more advanced, and more capable. As for Google products, its pretty hard to complain about free. Really, it is.

Not to mention as someone in the Web industry, every browser built by Microsoft sucks, and sucks bad. Developers (generally) hate all versions of IE.

More secure? Please. Let's see Microsoft offer up a 60k bounty to crack IE like Google does with it's browsers. Why does Google do this? Because if someone cracks it, the cracker gets paid, and the loophole gets fixed damn near instantly.

On top of that, a rendering engine has little to do with security in the first place, as most browser cracks are done via third party plug-ins, which Google (and Mozilla) both sandbox for security.

Generally speaking, the new smartphone consumer doesn't even need a smartphone. Smartphones should not be dumbed down, otherwise they aren't very smart, now are they?

Oh, and sorry Mod. Wasn't meant as a personal attack.

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Correct, you posted exactly what I was going to post.

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[migo]

Guess what? Everything on Android (tracking wise) is *gasp* opt-in.

Another straw man argument blown away.

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The opt in part is buying the handset, or signing up for a google service. Even though EU regulators are saying Google's new privacy policy isn't legal they're forcing it on everyone anyway.

[IOWA]

The opt in part is buying the handset, or signing up for a google service. Even though EU regulators are saying Google's new privacy policy isn't legal they're forcing it on everyone anyway.

I guess you've never used an Android phone. Right during initial setup there is a box you check, or uncheck, to opt in, or opt out. you can even change it down the line in the settings menu. Google's privacy policy isn't legal? Right... since when has the EU made any sense. The EU is more backwards than here in America(and we are pretty backwards here in America as well. SOPA anyone??).

Nobody is forcing you, me, or anyone else to use a Google product. You do not have any right to use Googles products, and if you choose to do so, its on their terms. Google is generous enough to allow people to opt out on the "tracking" on pretty much all of their products. You are not in a contract lock in to use Google products. You can choose someone else at any point in time, instantaneously, with absolutely no recourse.

They even let you see and delete the information they've collected on you. Let's see Microsoft and Apple do that.

Hell, if you feel inclined to do so you can even modify Android so it doesn't include Google at all! Let's see Microsoft or Apple allow that.

Anything else, sir?

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[ryan s]

Question. Do you legitimately think Microsoft is not collecting that very some data from you? I don't think you're that naive...

And FYI, WinMo still outperforms WP7 in a capability standard. UI.. not so much.

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I'm not so naive (thanks...I guess?), but the difference is how that data is used. For example, if I'm using a third-party, ad-supported app, I get lots of generic ads. The "local" ones I get are close-ish to me, but I've seen some from Illinois and Indiana. If I was being "tracked," wouldn't I see lots of ads for things in Madison?

I always keep my Location off, so I'd guess they're using the server location. Even with Location on, it only seems to affect my Bing Local search and Local Scout results.

And I agree about WinMo having more capabilities than WinPho...if we add the caveat "when the WM application is working correctly."

As soon as Verizon can get an LTE WP7 model in their ranks, I'll finally give the OS a try. I will not ditch my grandfathered, unlimited data until they take it away from me themselves.

WP7 seems to have a small, but extremely vocal number of supporters and fanboys. With all the praise they keep piling onto this OS, I'm genuinely curious to try it out. You'd think it was the best O.S ever made, smartphone or not!

It just doesn't get a fair shake from the spec obsessed or customize everything-ers. While nothing is the "best," WP has the bases certain users require: stable, good battery life, smooth experience, dependable. Everything else is really secondary. Should I get bent out of shape my one phone is spec'd at 512MB of RAM when the system only shows 483MB?

Apple & Microsoft gather just as much information FYI, if not more.

Proof of the "if not more" part?

And yeah, Apple/Microsoft did idiot proof their phones, thus crippling them. I'm not an Idiot, so I prefer something more advanced, and more capable.

Such sweeping generalizations are truly ignorant. Since I'm not an idiot, how can I possibly prefer Windows Phone?

Right... since when has the EU made any sense. The EU is more backwards than here in America(and we are pretty backwards here in America as well. SOPA anyone??).

Don't know if serious...

The EU is actually interested in protecting individual privacy and are strict on anti-trust laws, which is why they deemed Google's new privacy policy illegal. And I guess you don't remember the EU case involving Microsoft a few years ago...

Hell, if you feel inclined to do so you can even modify Android so it doesn't include Google at all! Let's see Microsoft or Apple allow that.

What? Would that be like taking the Microsoft out of Windows? That doesn't even make sense. What would be left...a splash screen when you boot the phone?

You'd still need to sign in to a Google account to use the phone, I bet.

And just for kicks, would anyone here let Google follow you around while browsing the web for just $20 a year? Serious question.

[IOWA]

I'm not so naive (thanks...I guess?), but the difference is how that data is used. For example, if I'm using a third-party, ad-supported app, I get lots of generic ads. The "local" ones I get are close-ish to me, but I've seen some from Illinois and Indiana. If I was being "tracked," wouldn't I see lots of ads for things in Madison?

I always keep my Location off, so I'd guess they're using the server location. Even with Location on, it only seems to affect my Bing Local search and Local Scout results.

And I agree about WinMo having more capabilities than WinPho...if we add the caveat "when the WM application is working correctly."


It just doesn't get a fair shake from the spec obsessed or customize everything-ers. While nothing is the "best," WP has the bases certain users require: stable, good battery life, smooth experience, dependable. Everything else is really secondary. Should I get bent out of shape my one phone is spec'd at 512MB of RAM when the system only shows 483MB?


Proof of the "if not more" part?


Such sweeping generalizations are truly ignorant. Since I'm not an idiot, how can I possibly prefer Windows Phone?


Don't know if serious...

The EU is actually interested in protecting individual privacy and are strict on anti-trust laws, which is why they deemed Google's new privacy policy illegal. And I guess you don't remember the EU case involving Microsoft a few years ago...



What? Would that be like taking the Microsoft out of Windows? That doesn't even make sense. What would be left...a splash screen when you boot the phone?

You'd still need to sign in to a Google account to use the phone, I bet.

And just for kicks, would anyone here let Google follow you around while browsing the web for just $20 a year? Serious question.

Google, microsoft, apple, large corporation here all want to collect as much information as possible about you. Why? Information is king. Ever have a program crash in Windows and Windows wants to "check for a solution" to the problem? What they're really doing is firing off logs kept by the OS itself. Windows also reports data by default if you allow them too. Same deal with MacOSX from what I understand, though my experiences with OSX is limited.

Why do companies need this information? Advertising is just one reason. There are an entire onslaught of reasons why this information is so valuable. Demographics, purchase histories, the works all feed into analytic systems that help determine what you want to buy next.

Do you have a membership card at a local food chain for "discounts"? Guess what. All of your purchases made with that card are tracked, tagged, and anaylzed for marketing and research. Noone seems to give a damn about FoodCo knowing how many cans of Spaghetti O's you buy in a month, or how often you're in the store for milk.

Microsoft and Apple have full fledged operating systems for desktops. They have access to more information than Google can dream of,(but Google is planning on catching up with their own OS development). Microsoft/Apple both collect this information and anaylze it for their respective business plans. What Google is doing is in no way different.

Hell, with iTunes and the iPod you don't think Apple keeps track of who buys what? Of what the percentages are of the music someone purchased through iTunes and "other" music on the iPod are? Ever notice nearly every program they make has a hidden option somewhere in the program to "Allow anonymous feedback to enhance quality"??

I think you can see the big picture here. Information is an extremely valuable commodity, and every company collects as much as they can.

To address your RAM, the difference is because of converting from two different numbering systems. It's more or less a marketing gimmick. Kind of like how internet speed is measured in megabits and not megabytes. (1 megabyte = 8 megabits).

As far as taking Google out of Android, its already been done. The Kindle fire is a perfect example of this. No Google in sight, and no you don't have to sign into Google to use the device, or any Android device. I can pick up any Android device and not use Google services at all, without any system modifications.

The EU ( and nearly every other government) is so backwards on technology its not even funny. But I guess that's what happens when you have people who can barely turn on their computer writing tech laws.

And don't even get me started on some of the EU's other backwardness.

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[cellphone-guy]

Wirelessly posted (Opera/9.80 (Android; Opera Mini/6.5.27452/27.1287; U; en) Presto/2.8.119 Version/11.10)

IOWA... you have done an excellent job of laying down the TRUTH. Precisely the same point I made regarding tracking. They ALL do it. The only difference is that MS and Apple are pointing a finger at Google and saying "watch out... they're out to get you", because they are VERY fearful of Google and the huge strides it has made into ALL of their markets.

I've never seen Apple or Microsoft say anything like "Don't Be Evil", and ON PAPER make a statement to its shareholders that taking a short term loss in order to DO GOOD THINGS IN THE WORLD would benefit them as shareholders and as people.

I like Google.

I don't like MS (big fat used car salesman as a CEO - Steve Balmer) or Apple.

[ryan s]

Google, microsoft, apple, large corporation here all want to collect as much information as possible about you. Why? Information is king. Ever have a program crash in Windows and Windows wants to "check for a solution" to the problem? What they're really doing is firing off logs kept by the OS itself. Windows also reports data by default if you allow them too. Same deal with MacOSX from what I understand, though my experiences with OSX is limited.

Why do companies need this information? Advertising is just one reason. There are an entire onslaught of reasons why this information is so valuable. Demographics, purchase histories, the works all feed into analytic systems that help determine what you want to buy next.

Do you have a membership card at a local food chain for "discounts"? Guess what. All of your purchases made with that card are tracked, tagged, and anaylzed for marketing and research. Noone seems to give a damn about FoodCo knowing how many cans of Spaghetti O's you buy in a month, or how often you're in the store for milk.

Microsoft and Apple have full fledged operating systems for desktops. They have access to more information than Google can dream of,(but Google is planning on catching up with their own OS development). Microsoft/Apple both collect this information and anaylze it for their respective business plans. What Google is doing is in no way different.

Hell, with iTunes and the iPod you don't think Apple keeps track of who buys what? Of what the percentages are of the music someone purchased through iTunes and "other" music on the iPod are? Ever notice nearly every program they make has a hidden option somewhere in the program to "Allow anonymous feedback to enhance quality"??

I think you can see the big picture here. Information is an extremely valuable commodity, and every company collects as much as they can.

To address your RAM, the difference is because of converting from two different numbering systems. It's more or less a marketing gimmick. Kind of like how internet speed is measured in megabits and not megabytes. (1 megabyte = 8 megabits).

As far as taking Google out of Android, its already been done. The Kindle fire is a perfect example of this. No Google in sight, and no you don't have to sign into Google to use the device, or any Android device. I can pick up any Android device and not use Google services at all, without any system modifications.

The EU ( and nearly every other government) is so backwards on technology its not even funny. But I guess that's what happens when you have people who can barely turn on their computer writing tech laws.

And don't even get me started on some of the EU's other backwardness.

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In Windows, you don't have to send a bug report and the popup box will show you the contents if you decide to send one. It's not like you're sending MS the contents of your hard drive with every bug report.

Sending storage contents without permission is best left to Apple and Google, anyway.

I can disable Feedback, keyboard feedback, voice feedback, and the "anonymous" packets used in the Me tile containing location, cell towers, WiFi hotspots, etc that Android so famously sent back to Google unencrypted.

The dissonance people have about tracking is the problem. Some get mad when they use their credit card and get coupons printed relating to past transactions (Target was the innovator, for example); yet, they'll be checking their GMail which Google is reading simultaneously in order to send more ads!

I've never seen Apple or Microsoft say anything like "Don't Be Evil"

If Google changed their motto to "your personal info makes us truckloads of cash!" would you feel the same way?

Wait...no need to answer that. We already know.

[KingBuzzo]

I'm the GMail man...duh he seems nice enough lol!

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[IOWA]

In Windows, you don't have to send a bug report and the popup box will show you the contents if you decide to send one. It's not like you're sending MS the contents of your hard drive with every bug report.

Sending storage contents without permission is best left to Apple and Google, anyway.

I can disable Feedback, keyboard feedback, voice feedback, and the "anonymous" packets used in the Me tile containing location, cell towers, WiFi hotspots, etc that Android so famously sent back to Google unencrypted.

The dissonance people have about tracking is the problem. Some get mad when they use their credit card and get coupons printed relating to past transactions (Target was the innovator, for example); yet, they'll be checking their GMail which Google is reading simultaneously in order to send more ads!


If Google changed their motto to "your personal info makes us truckloads of cash!" would you feel the same way?

Wait...no need to answer that. We already know.

Android can disable all that jazz too. Your point again? You still never addressed the fact the Microsoft / Apple collect just as much information, with the possibility of collecting even more.

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[ryan s]

Still waiting on your proof of "if not more"...

[IOWA]

Still waiting on your proof of "if not more"...

Oh brother. The writings on the wall. If you can't see it, oh well. But here's a hint. Your probably using their operating system on your main computing device.


WHERE is the outrage? WHO is crying foul? OMG the world is ENDING!

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[Crav4Speed]

No one is saying Microsoft and Apple don't collect your information. Of course they do!

I'm not sure about Apple, but your image proves that Microsoft gives their users the ability to disable any type of information collection. What I'm trying to say is that Google is an advertising machine with an income in 2011 of 36.5 Billion (yes, B not M) (Source: http://investor.google.com/financial/tables.html ) from advertising alone and their entire advertising scheme is based on the collection of user information!

The reason Microsoft can afford the option to let you opt-out is because they're not advertising-revenue driven. Google may let you opt-out but only after world's governments got involved. Now if I want to permanently opt-out I MUST download a plugin. Jesus effin' Christ! So I can't even opt-out unless I install a stupid browser plug-in?!?

Therefore, I will never support a company like Google that makes it's money in ways that I find non-trustworthy!

Edit: Google Advertising policy