If the next iPhone can have a big speakerphone in the back like the iPad 2 has, then it will be a good phone. As of right now, the same tiny speaker and mic, that came out in 2007 is getting played out.
I am waiting for the day, when people boo the iPhone on the day its introduced, as the next best thing. I wonder what they will do. They would be sweating bullets.
It's supposed to be about a 4" screen. I'm glad they're bringing back the aluminum case. (assuming that BGR's souce is true)...
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That mock up looks dope. So does this dispell the June iPhone Talk?
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So does this dispel the June iPhone Talk?
Well they just announced last week that it's ready for production so I'll bet that it's ready by June. They probably just want to give themselves some breathing room for any unforeseen glitches or issues holding up the line. Remember the white iPhone 4 home button debacle?.
And other people have seen mockups and heard its almost supposed to be translucent like the phone in Real Steel. Only time will tell what the next iPhone will look like, but I imagine it will have a touchscreen and be a rectangle. Oh and Apple will try to sue others for their phone being a rectangle and having a touchscreen.
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A lot of things are different than the last time. This time the company is filled with more creative people than it was the last time. This time Apple is the most valuable company in the world. It is a profit machine. They know how to produce products that people want.
And if they fall, please mention who is the brilliant genius(es) that are going to knock Apple off its perch. Larry and Sergey? Those two guys spend all of this money on Android and the manufacturers see what money there is, not Google. What kind of business model is that? You think they are such innovators that they're going to out innovate Apple who can pay the best and the brightest for years to come?
Google will permit any manufacturer to put Android on any piece of junk device and there are plenty out there with all sorts of issues giving Android a bad name.
You may want to look up the definition of a peak. It's hard to call a peak when all sales and profit just keep going up and up every quarter. Record iPhone and iPad sales. Constantly beating analysts estimates. There's no sign at all of any slowdown much less a dropoff which would be required for a "peak". Large corporations are throwing away their blackberries and ordering their IT departments to convert over to iOS and flood the company with iPhones and iPads.
No smartphone producer is anywhere close to making the kind of profit that Apple does. When people have a choice between an iPhone and another smartphone they choose the iPhone. Both AT&T and Verizon sold more iPhones last quarter than all other smartphones they sold COMBINED.
All of the naysayers have been naysaying for so long and Apple just keeps laughing all the way to the bank.
In addition, it's time for Google to be held accountable for all of their patent infringements:
Those guys ended up buying Motorola which means that Apple can now sue Google for Motorola's wrongdoings as well.
When were they saying this, in 2009? When critics scoffed and laughed because the iPad couldn't run a "real" operating system, how it would never replace a real laptop. You should check the sales trends. Windows, laptops and even desktop sales and use has plunged since then. And guess what rose, tablet use. Have you not seen how Microsoft and Intel are scrambling to remain relevant? If you want to see the example of a peak, perhaps you should check out the whole Wintel model....
Pay for infringement? Are you serious? If you believe that you have zero credibility in this discussion. Apple is one of the largest "infringers" of all time. Nearly everything Apple has put out has been copied from someone else. Most of Apple's so-called "patents" ( as well as other large tech companies as well) are so ridiculously vague and littered with prior art anyone with half a brain stem should have tossed them out permanently.
Regardless of your "impression" of Microsoft and Intel, they're still kings of the market. Have you ever heard about market saturation? How many people do you know that don't have a computer?
Not many huh? That's called market saturation. Most people won't need to replace home computers for quite some time. Same with work computers. Only the high end computers need replacing, and that's not often. Market S-A-T-U-R-A-T-I-O-N.
The iPad hasn't replaced laptops, its supplementing them. My more capable Transformer hasn't replaced my real computers.
Large corporations, government, and military are also switching to Android.
Google will permit anybody to put Android on any hardware. Is there something wrong with that? Should people with limited budgets be able to have computing systems as well? Isn't that the way its supposed to be? Why can't we have a choice of hardware AND operating system?
Is a choice too much for you to handle? Do you need someone to tell you what you can and can't do?
Well they just announced last week that it's ready for production so I'll bet that it's ready by June. They probably just want to give themselves some breathing room for any unforeseen glitches or issues holding up the line. Remember the white iPhone 4 home button debacle?.
Oh Yeeeeeah. Well all I can do now is make statements with "hope", "maybe", and "t-mobile" in them lol...
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I just happened to pop by and noticed this discussion, and I too have been thinking the same thing lately--that Apple has hit it's peak, at least with the Iphone. I don't think Apple will die--they will always be a power--but they will settle into mediocrity among Windows and Android and RIM, and another company will become the "IT" thing. It's hard to explain why, but if it hasn't happened with the Iphone 4s, I think it will after the 5.
The only trouble with your reasoning is that many other companies have attempted to get the "iPhone killer" or the "iPad killer" and have failed. People somehow assume that Apple once they have made the killer product will just sit back and let the cash roll in. They know that the competition will be trying to make that next great product so they have to improve on what they already have in production. Despite some people initially being disappointed that Apple brought out "only" the 4S it's been selling like gangbusters. I don't think Apple has much to be worried about.
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I'm with Iowa. Not sure what the problem is. If you look at the past and learn from it, everything has a cycle. Based on the actual productivity and the competition to iproducts, it seems to him that they are at their peak now. And the fact that the cult leader has died don't help. People may still be loyal to Apple, but I don't think many are as loyal to Apple as they were Steve Jobs. And let's face it, a tablet is nice, but as many have said, when you have to get something done, most put the tablet down and use the laptop. Maybe that's flawed reasoning, but I'm allowed to reason how I want. If your allowed to use an iPad that won't even play videos on some sites cause they are flash and you don't feel that isn't broken then neither is my reasoning. I know flash is going away, but it hasn't yet.
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except for one thing....the iPhone user has been shown to be especially "sticky" and will continue to be so the more immeshed into the Apple ecosystem. What will be the incentive to start all over with a new OS? I think the is a case of the early victor will reap the spoils of war. I think BB is a has been and Android is so fragmented. Apple is a clean and unified system that just works for the majority of smart phone customers. By the time TMobile gets the iPhone, there may not be too many "free-agents" to pick up.....
except for one thing....the iPhone user has been shown to be especially "sticky" and will continue to be so the more immeshed into the Apple ecosystem. What will be the incentive to start all over with a new OS? I think the is a case of the early victor will reap the spoils of war. I think BB is a has been and Android is so fragmented. Apple is a clean and unified system that just works for the majority of smart phone customers. By the time TMobile gets the iPhone, there may not be too many "free-agents" to pick up.....
Apple is far from unified. A far, far cry from unified. In fact, only 40% of their handset released (as in # of models, not % of users) run the latest iOS properly. Talk about "fragmentation".
Are you comparing that 40% to the number of Android devices running Ice Cream Sandwich? Is it even 1%?
What percent of existing Android devices will ever run ICS? Won't even come close to 40% I assure you.
Such a great system. An operating system is released and those with existing devices wait and wait for an upgrade if it ever comes. Fragmentation at its best!
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Apple is far from unified. A far, far cry from unified. In fact, only 40% of their handset released (as in # of models, not % of users) run the latest iOS properly. Talk about "fragmentation".
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And what do you mean by properly?
And as far as models Apple has provided OS compatibility for at least the last model released and sometimes even two models back. iOS 5 works on iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S. Can you say that for the same models of Android?
Are you comparing that 40% to the number of Android devices running Ice Cream Sandwich? Is it even 1%?
What percent of existing Android devices will ever run ICS? Won't even come close to 40% I assure you.
Such a great system. An operating system is released and those with existing devices wait and wait for an upgrade if it ever comes. Fragmentation at its best!
You picked the wrong topic to prove your point...
*I* picked the wrong topic? Ha!
"Fragmentation" is a non issue. Period. Wireless is the *only* industry where people seem to be complaining about it, and its the vaaast minority that even complain let alone think about it. Most people won't even know what version of iOS/Android/WinMo/DorkOS they have on their device.
The iginiton is in different spots in different cars! OMG FRAGMENTATION! Different guns have safeties in different spots! OMG FRAGMENTATION! Grocery stores in the same chain have different layouts! OMG FRAGMENTATION! A windows machine sold this year won't get Windows 8 for free! OMG FRAGMENTATION! DVD titles have the menus in different spots! OMG FRAGMENTATION?!!
Is any of this an issue 99% care about? Absolutely not. Is fragmentation a problem? Nope. Does iOS have "fragmentation" just like every other OS in existence? Yep.
With an industry moving at the speed of light like wireless, you can hardly expect 100% compliance. Its impossible. And even Apple, with their paltry 5 handsets can't even do this, how do you expect 30 manufactures to do this?
FYI, even the iPhone 4 doesn't run a full version of iOS5. Some bits had to be altered and left behind, as with all the generations of iOS.
To Jets defense, there is only two iphones that can't use the most up to date software.
That's what fragmentation is about in reference to Android/iOS. You know that so those points really made little sense.
When that "dimwitted consumer" which you stereotyped as the main phone purchaser, is unable to get certain apps because their OS is incompatible then they will gripe and see solace in iOS.
According to you, IOWA I think, since the OS is a nonfactor to Joe, then Joe only sees that his phone can't do what Tim's does and yes, you are right, he will not care about the explanation of OS fragmentation and will consider it a CON. Am I right? I'm not arguing but I hate when people try to pretend as though the fragmentation of Android isn't an issue!
Even with ICS being the solve all, if ValueTech wants to make a budget phone are they going to put all the processors and what not in it when they can OPENLY choose Android 2.2 and save on manufacturing costs??
To Jets defense, there is only two iphones that can't use the most up to date software.
That's what fragmentation is about in reference to Android/iOS. You know that so those points really made little sense.
When that "dimwitted consumer" which you stereotyped as the main phone purchaser, is unable to get certain apps because their OS is incompatible then they will gripe and see solace in iOS.
According to you, IOWA I think, since the OS is a nonfactor to Joe, then Joe only sees that his phone can't do what Tim's does and yes, you are right, he will not care about the explanation of OS fragmentation and will consider it a CON. Am I right? I'm not arguing but I hate when people try to pretend as though the fragmentation of Android isn't an issue!
Even with ICS being the solve all, if ValueTech wants to make a budget phone are they going to put all the processors and what not in it when they can OPENLY choose Android 2.2 and save on manufacturing costs??
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What's wrong with a budget phone? I'm sure people are smart enough to realize a budget phone isn't going to perform like a $300 phone.
How about asking all those iPhone4 owners who can use Siri?
Oh wait...
But go ahead. Ask your non techy friends, family, go ahead and ask them what version of Android or iOS they have and let me know how that blank stare feels.
What's wrong with a budget phone? I'm sure people are smart enough to realize a budget phone isn't going to perform like a $300 phone.
How about asking all those iPhone4 owners who can use Siri?
Oh wait...
But go ahead. Ask your non techy friends, family, go ahead and ask them what version of Android or iOS they have and let me know how that blank stare feels.
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The blank stare is more likely to happen when that same none too concerned about nerd talk is what HAS to be explained to the person with the budget OR premium yet outdated handset.
Of course no one will understand us nerds, IOWA. However many Android users have HAD to learn about it, except the hard way.
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