Unfortunately it's not nonsense. It's the roaming network that detects whether or not you answer and therefore the roaming network that connects to your voicemail, which incurs roaming fees.
Only if you do an unconditional call forward is it handled by wind internally.
You know what? I don't believe this. There is no reason AT ALL for the process to work this way. It is absolutely incorrect and unjustifiable, both in terms of the complexity of implementation, and efficient utilization of resources. It is both SIMPLER for Wind to detect/redirect internally, and FAR more efficient, since it won't tie up TWO connections in/out.
You know what? I don't believe this. There is no reason AT ALL for the process to work this way.
But it does.
I suspect it works this way. Once you leave the home zone, and "Wind away" shows on your phone it starts pinging on Rogers network. (You've been "handed off" in a way). So any further activity is Rogers trying to find you, so if you don't answer, you've still used the Rogers network, and when they pass you back to the Wind network and voicemail, Rogers still want to be paid. That's why the only protection from this is unconditional call forward while you are still in a Wind home zone because then Winds system will not pass off the calls to Rogers.
There is no reason AT ALL for the process to work this way.
Perhaps you don't understand how roaming works. Your incoming call does not trombone through the wind network, the HLR routes it through the roaming network and as a result it's handled by the roaming network. You are incorrectly imagining that your call is snaking through wind out to the roaming network and back again to voicemail which is not what happens.
Perhaps you don't understand how roaming works. Your incoming call does not trombone through the wind network, the HLR routes it through the roaming network and as a result it's handled by the roaming network. You are incorrectly imagining that your call is snaking through wind out to the roaming network and back again to voicemail which is not what happens.
What do you mean by "go through Wind"? The calling network will query Wind's location registry to find the location of the phone. It will find that the phone is roaming and then connect with the roaming network to process the call, and unless some conditional call forwarding sends the call back to the Wind network that will be the end of the Wind network's involvement in processing that call.
If on the other hand you set up an unconditional call forward instead of responding to the lookup by saying the phone is on a roaming network, Wind's location registry will say that Wind can handle the call, and it will be routed to your Wind voicemail on the Wind network, as on an unconditional forward the true location of the handset is irrelevant.
To see why this makes sense imagine you in Europe and someone in Asia calls you. It would make absolutely no sense to route that call through North America, and you would complain bitterly about call quality if something that dumb were to happen. The Asian network will query Wind to find out you are in Europe, and then connect directly to the European network. Your call will not "go through" Toronto, it will be completely handled by the Asian and European network, after the initial query to the location registry.
To see why this makes sense imagine you in Europe and someone in Asia calls you. It would make absolutely no sense to route that call through North America, and you would complain bitterly about call quality if something that dumb were to happen. The Asian network will query Wind to find out you are in Europe, and then connect directly to the European network. Your call will not "go through" Toronto, it will be completely handled by the Asian and European network, after the initial query to the location registry.
Using this Asia/Europe example. Suppose I have no forwarding option setup except for the "normal" conditional forwarding to voicemail which would occur if I'm unavailable, busy, or don't answer.
In other words, if this person in Asia calls me while I'm in Europe and my phone rings, but I don't answer as I let it go to voicemail. I assume I'm being charged the roaming rate for Europe during the time the caller is leaving a voice message for me, correct? Since this is technically a conditional forwarding to voice mail example where WIND is not handling the call, but the roaming network forwarding the call to my voice mail in Canada.
Djino your understanding is the same as mine. It sounds like there may be better ways of handling it (and that Fido may have / may be doing something better) but I think that's the way it works by default.
For me my plan to avoid roaming charges is, for Canadian roaming and trips to the US where roaming is cheap(ish), just to eat the charges. For overseas trips where the costs hit a couple of bucks a minute I'll either forward all my calls unconditionally to a VOIP service and then use occasional access to WIFI to retrieve messages and make calls, or for longer trips I would buy a local SIM and unconditionally forward my calls to that.
Djino your understanding is the same as mine. It sounds like there may be better ways of handling it (and that Fido may have / may be doing something better) but I think that's the way it works by default.
For me my plan to avoid roaming charges is, for Canadian roaming and trips to the US where roaming is cheap(ish), just to eat the charges. For overseas trips where the costs hit a couple of bucks a minute I'll either forward all my calls unconditionally to a VOIP service and then use occasional access to WIFI to retrieve messages and make calls, or for longer trips I would buy a local SIM and unconditionally forward my calls to that.
Same here, but unfortunately WIND does not allow forwarding of calls to a number outside of Canada.
I think that's pretty big flaw in Wind's call forwarding policy. Reminds me of the 10c to receive a text message some providers had years ago if the phone didn't have a texting plan. Could use online msging services to text people you didn't like to up their phone bills. For this, just use free online voip dialers, to call a phone constantly and leave long empty voicemails while it's roaming. The only defense would be an unconditional forward or turning the phone off.
Kinda off topic but is there any way at all to forward text messages or have them received on 2 devices like rogers one number?
When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
Originally Posted by rjwells
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