Okay, I do have to say I'm a little peeved that I JUST got Apple TV a month ago and they're already releasing a new one (It's not like it was one of their yearly product cycles which I would have waited for, this one came out in Sept 2010 I believe, so I had no way of knowing when or even if a new one would come out this year, but still, it's annoying if it's coming out very soon) but there seems to be such weird misinformation by everyone, particularly those that "have connections" because their info is contradicted completely by someone else.
For example, the AppleTV/iTV that is supposed to come out this year was in December reported as an actual television set in three sizes by an "Australian technology site Smarthouse received information on Apple's next project from its trusted sources at a Japanese company.": http://www.christianpost.com/news/ap...options-64154/
but in today's news, it is being reported as a device that CONNECTS to your existing television (just like Apple TV is now) but that Apple is trying to make partnerships with Rogers and Bell in Canada (and likely other telcos throughout North America and likely the world that can provide broadband and wireless services) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/02/08/apple_new_itv/ http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe...rticle2328772/
So, would this mean that it's not just a device you connect to the internet and your TV and can stream, surf and watch content, but you actually have to get a contract through your provider in order to get content on it now? (like, the same way you can't get cellular phone service on your cell phone unless you pay for service)
the only reason I brought it up was the initial Australian company that had trusted sources at a japanese company affirming that it was an actual television, but now it just seems to be a regular Apple TV with Siri and gesture control that for some reason needs partnership with a telco, so WTF is it?! Anyone have ANY idea?
All of this is pure speculation and nobody knows. Why get upset over something you have absolutely no control over and isn't even known to be in fact happening. There's always something better coming out down the road, that's true for every single electronic device that's ever existed. Use what you have and enjoy it and then you can always upgrade later if it makes sense to do so.
I am a little confused. My Verizon phone was able to roam on GSM because they used TDMA. Tell it was shutdown. The phone recognizes it as Analog. If PCS has TDMA, It could be technically be used on GSM.
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Y'know, I'm used to hysterical 14-year-old ******** on the internet, but this is exceptional. Never before in human history have so many nerds hyperventilated so publicly over so little.
All of this is pure speculation and nobody knows. Why get upset over something you have absolutely no control over and isn't even known to be in fact happening. There's always something better coming out down the road, that's true for every single electronic device that's ever existed. Use what you have and enjoy it and then you can always upgrade later if it makes sense to do so.
Well that's not entirely true, according to the article, both Rogers and Bell have the devices in their possession as we speak, allegedly, so considering how many people from Rogers post here, I was hoping there would be someone on the boards who would know even the slightest bit about it (namely, is it a TV, is it a box connected to your existing TV, etc)
All of this is pure speculation and nobody knows. Why get upset over something you have absolutely no control over and isn't even known to be in fact happening. There's always something better coming out down the road, that's true for every single electronic device that's ever existed. Use what you have and enjoy it and then you can always upgrade later if it makes sense to do so.
Some people complain about the weirdest things. Is Apple supposed to start advertising unannounced and unreleased products so that the sales of their existing products will tank? Has Apple ever done this? This thing may not be out for 6 months or a year or may never see the light of day, but people are peeved that they bought something now?
Easy way to never get upset about this: understand a new product will always be around the corner and hold off buying anything because something newer will always follow. Or listen to rumours and speculations and get an ulcer over it.
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Well that's not entirely true, according to the article, both Rogers and Bell have the devices in their possession as we speak, allegedly, so considering how many people from Rogers post here, I was hoping there would be someone on the boards who would know even the slightest bit about it (namely, is it a TV, is it a box connected to your existing TV, etc)
First they would be breaking their NDA, which is a legal agreement. Second, there is no way for them to know that what they are testing will physically resemble what will be released. Apple used to send disguised iPhones to AT&T for testing so the field testers never knew what it would actually look like. Assuming the story out of Bell and Rogers is true and assuming they received a separate box that connects to the TV, and assuming Apple eventually releases the product, there is nothing that says that what they have will physically resemble what is released. It is just as possible that Apple would send them a STB that contains all of the components that they would add to their mythical iTV to allow Rogers and Bell to test compatibility without actually seeing the final, assembled iTV.
Or it could all be rumours and speculation and should be ignored until Apple actually says something about it.
First they would be breaking their NDA, which is a legal agreement. Second, there is no way for them to know that what they are testing will physically resemble what will be released. Apple used to send disguised iPhones to AT&T for testing so the field testers never knew what it would actually look like. Assuming the story out of Bell and Rogers is true and assuming they received a separate box that connects to the TV, and assuming Apple eventually releases the product, there is nothing that says that what they have will physically resemble what is released. It is just as possible that Apple would send them a STB that contains all of the components that they would add to their mythical iTV to allow Rogers and Bell to test compatibility without actually seeing the final, assembled iTV.
Or it could all be rumours and speculation and should be ignored until Apple actually says something about it.
OR everybody could STOP leaping to conclusions. I'm not asking "What are it's exact dimensions, what components will it have in it, and will the cord be 1.8 meters or 1.9 meters" I'm asking (which people are quoting, yet no one is reading) is it a TV like the australian link says, or is it a set that connects TO a TV? I'll even post a pic with circles and arrows since quoting seems to not work anymore.
Seriously, I highly doubt saying one or the other is breaking any agreements by saying whether it's a Television or a component. And i'm actually really disappointent in how many people seem to intentionally be misinterpreting what I say when they quote me. Honestly, I dare you to find any line where I'm asking "will what they're testing look exactly like what is being released?" or "what features does it have", "what interface will it use", "what shade of black will it be?" and so on, I simply want to know WHICH article is correct, the "it's a 50" television set" or "It's a device that connects TO a TV" and then speculation from whomever on why they would need a partnership with telcos. I mean, when you ask "What's the Rocket Hotspot? A device to connect wifi devices to the internet, or a phone?" and they answer the former, that's not breaking any secrecy rules. Both accounts of what iTV is can't be right, unless ofcourse they made a 50" TV that connect to your TV so you can watch streaming content from one TV that plays on the other TV.
And yeah, I asked what would Apple need to partner with Bell and Rogers for not because I expected deep insider information as oh so condescendingly adorable THAT was, I was asking because with all the people on these boards who have seen numerous trends over the years from cell phone companies all over the world over and over again, I figured someone would have an idea or an educated guess as to WHY a streaming content device would need to have a partnership with a telco. What possible reason COULD that be? Because if content is delivered over the internet, why would a partnership be needed? Surely people have seen services that could be compared to this situation and respond with "well, one reason a device like this could need a partnership is because __________" or "Bell owns these TV networks, so they would have exclusive rights to broadcast on the device because _____________" or whatever, I don't know, that's why I was asking.
I wasn't asking how many HDMI ports it's gonna have, I wasn't asking whether Siri will be talking in a Male voice or not, I wasn't asking how the hard drive configuration was going to sit and whether it was going to be next to the A6 chip or underneath it, I was asking "does anyone know if it's a TV or a device that connects TO a TV" which is as legitimate to ask as "Is the new Blackberry bold going to be a phone or a delicious turkey dressing?" It's one or the other, and as I said numerous times (since that is the only way to do it it seems, along with pictures with arrows and circles, and next time probably sketches and star charts) I just want to know WHICH it would be, and the rest was curious about why people THINK such a partnership might be needed for such a device.
Seriously, re reading both my posts (and the quoted posts of mine as well) I never even made to slightest inference to asking what it looked like, I asked whether it was one or the other. The AT&T testers example is terribly flawed since the testers knew they had a phone. They weren't handed devices encased in concrete and told to jab through the holes with a carrot because the device inside could be a phone, it could be a Simon Says, it could be a monkey with 6 arms, they were handed a phone. Disguised or not, they knew it was a phone, not a TV, not a car, not a space shuttle. A phone. So I just want to know if peopel know if iTV is a TV or a device connected TO a TV. I've never had to repeat myself so often for such a simple point. My gosh.
You can ask anything you want, but at the end of the day, what I said in post #2 still holds true: nobody knows. Apple is known to dream up a lot of things, and the majority of them never see the light of day as far as the average consumer is concerned. Even if you get somebody from Bell Labs to tell you what they saw, that doesn't mean that's what Apple is going to release to the general public. I'm pretty sure other posters already stated that, but apparently it needed to be said again.
What part of "there is no way anyone outside of Apple knows" don't you get? Rogers might have a STB to test, Bell might have a TV, both might have one or the other. There is no way they know that what they are testing is what will be released (premised on the GIGANTIC assumption that the leak was correct and they are even testing an Apple product). A person testing it at Bell could come on here and tell you they are testing a STB with new functionality, show pics and and video break down and it would mean next to nothing because even if it was real, Apple could roll those components into a TV and release a TV. External testers do not know how what they are testing will relate to what is actually released, you know, just like the iPhone testing.
As for the NDA, yes, if they were to confirm anything, including that they are testing an Apple product, that would be a violation of their NDA. My company does a lot of work with Apple that is as much as I am allowed to say. In fact, in some cases we are instructed to specifically deny that we are even involved in specific Apple products because Apple doesn't want our name (or any other company) associated with their products. Hell, Sasktel simple leaked that they would be carrying the iPhone in a certain month and that was enough for Apple to blockade them from releasing it for almost 6 month.
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