Motorola DROID RAZR HD XT926 "Vanquish" Pre-Release Thread

**Susurro** · 08-09-2012, 11:57 AM

Uh, not all my post deserve that analysis it got above. I was simply making an observation on the previous posts, such as a couple on what QFT means, why can't Mot build a descent camera, cell phone reception and if it matters, etc. Granted most of that is cell phone related and can be interesting, but not exactly about Vanquish.

The Vanquish leaks have been pretty poor (except for some recent pics that caused some people to get really upset at Mot management). Honestly, the guesses on the specs haven't changed in a couple of months and the picture doesn't really show anything (guess what, the phone will be rectangular and have a touch screen).

The next phone will be nice, the display is nice and the build quality is good. Will the bootloader be unlocked, who knows. Honestly. If Verizon accepts a solution they could change their mind very easily just before launch. It happened before with global capabilities on Bionic.

**jasaero** · 08-09-2012, 12:47 PM

Sorry to analyse your comments. I just had no clue what you were getting at really. And it's in my nature to analyse for better or worse.

Mostly I am concerned with Motorola and right now in this industry you need a killer top end device to be successful. Seemingly this will be it as it seems the model number is a 9XX number and AFAIK that's top end for Moto. I just don't expect much to really differentiate this device enough from current leading sellers. Kevlar and other fancy materials didn't really jack up Moto's market share or get them new design wins with the RAZR. It might have an advantage on first to hit with some IC component setup or something, but I don't think the broader market will flock to that. It will probably have a battery life expectation advantage, but it's primary competition isn't going to be far off and has replaceable battery.

And just as a little side note, I think the bezel, camera, and reception talk is on topic and related to a curiosity as to whether trade-off's have been made to get a better balance in these respects for this device. It could have a 5-core M-series and A15 derived with basebands all on chip and designed in house sorta single chip extremely unique IC and I don't think it would make the device a hit. It's the attention paid to making everything as high end as possible that pays the dividends I think. RAZR had weak packaging, display, and camera. This improves display and packaging I am guessing.

Hard to say on camera? Yet I think the camera is the one thing ALL android OEMs are weak on, even if there has been big efforts to make them better. This is a component of the device that can technically target camera specific OEMs such as Canon, Nikon, Fuji, and Olympus. If you want to differentiate, that is component to do it with. Nokia gets this, but has been tied to obsolete OS and IS tied to a struggling new OS. Yet, because they get this, they are going to sell a completely obsolete device in decent volume. I watch Moto and Nokia today and am just forced to shake my head at what once was.

**pmagent2013** · 08-09-2012, 01:55 PM

My only concern is that as soon this phone comes out there will be a ton of quad core phones with 2gb of ram that will blow it out of the water like the HTC phone rumored to come out in september. What do you guys think about this?

**jasaero** · 08-09-2012, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by pmagent2013

My only concern is that as soon this phone comes out there will be a ton of quad core phones with 2gb of ram that will blow it out of the water like the HTC phone rumored to come out in september. What do you guys think about this?

We aren't sure this one does not have that based on Susurro's claim above most leaks and guessing on specs have been off. I figure this thing would have been out by now if it didn't have S4 Pro dual or quad actually. Might be one of the phones you are referring too.

That I don't think makes or breaks this phone anyhow though. It's about the overall design. And I think the overall design will be really good, just not good enough to sway Moto's success(or lack there of) as of late.

**TC_Mits** · 08-09-2012, 03:12 PM

Appropriate for post #500 :

What do we know now that we didn't know a month ago when I posted this?

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. . . What do we 'know' about it?

The 720p (PenTile?) display could be 4.3" or 5". With on-screen buttons, if it's not 5" it's effectively smaller than the GS3 for most uses. Appears the S4 SoC is definite -- the expected shortage is too? More delays? RAM? It has SD support, 8mp camera with 1080p video, and the MAXX battery. Will carry ICS in the JB era -- unlikely to OTA to JB this year, so there's no reason a KLP Nexus wouldn't drop around the time the HD gets ICS -- just like the og RAZR. We may presume it won't have custom kernels.

So far, I like the SGSIII better.

The new HTC has 1080p on a 5" display. Will it, too, be locked down? . . .
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We now think it's at least 4.5" and unlikely to be PenTile, probably IPS with "Color Boost". Could get JB a bit sooner and there's a marginally better chance for an unlockable bootloader. NFC. Global GSM radio (disabled?). Smaller than MAXX battery.

Anything else?

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**sfukr** · 08-11-2012, 12:23 PM

Hurry up and wait some more if this is true!

Motorola Aiming to Launch Razr HD and Razr Maxx HD in October - HotHardware

http://hothardware.com/News/Motorola...HD-in-October/

**TC_Mits** · 08-11-2012, 02:48 PM

"Hot Hardware"?
Is there a classified section?

*IF* this is true, then Moto is headed down that long slippery slope called mediocrity and Google needs to get heavy-handed and end this affair with the lady in red because it's obviously not healthy.

Perspective instantiates reality.
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**sfukr** · 08-11-2012, 03:00 PM

It's in the High Tech Section....I take this and you take that. Complete with the 5 finger discount.
Best prices in town. No warranty nor serial numbers of course.

**dmaxfan** · 08-11-2012, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by sfukr

Hurry up and wait some more if this is true!

Motorola Aiming to Launch Razr HD and Razr Maxx HD in October - HotHardware

http://hothardware.com/News/Motorola...HD-in-October/

Only problem is, is that there will not be a maxx version.

Sent from my Verizon Samsung Galaxy SIII

**jasaero** · 08-11-2012, 11:09 PM

DL has similar report, they aren't buying all of it either though.

http://www.droid-life.com/2012/08/11...hd-in-october/

If this really is an october device it must not have the standard MSM8960.

**odiej34** · 08-12-2012, 12:23 AM

WoW, October Hunh? If so I will have had my Iphone 5 for a month by the time it comes out... Fought the urge to switch to the dark side and was hoping this would do it.. Maybe not.

**TC_Mits** · 08-12-2012, 02:43 AM

Originally Posted by jasaero

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If this really is an october device it must not have the standard MSM8960.

So you reject out-of-hand the idea that the deferred launch in fact is for the sake of the RAZRs ? Are you deducing this based on which SoCs are in short supply ?

Kellex uses the word "suicide". In two months: SGSIII, iPhone 5, GNote II, and perhaps the 1080p HTC -- not to mention WP8 hovering about. A 4.5" display with GS3 internals running ICS will struggle to be just an 'also ran' in that field.

If this report is at all accurate Moto had better have a surprise or two up its sleeve. Otherwise, it may be time to dust off some shelf space next to the LG section.

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**pmagent2013** · 08-12-2012, 07:12 AM

I was planning on getting this phone if it came out in august, but if this is true which I seriously doubt, I mind as well wait and see what else is coming out