Motorola DROID RAZR HD XT926 "Vanquish" Pre-Release Thread

**dmaxfan** · 04-22-2012, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by TC_Mits

Dmaxfan, do you have any specific basis for your "understanding"? A leak? A well-positioned friend? A further logical deduction? Some combination?

Some folks were clearly expecting something in April; seems unlikely now to me.

Do you think the 'Fighter' could wind up as the RAZR HD? Any thoughts on a possible D4G MAXX?

If the 'Vanquish' is still more than five months off, it seems to me that eight months from "a VERY early build" to the showroom is still quite a long time. If the 'Vanquish' is to be a "DX replacement" as OP fone sex suggested, it also seems October is late for its release, given that support has already been dropped.

What are your thoughts?

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Sorry,should have been more clear. I've heard from a friend (supposedly in the know) and read a lot on the subjects. Almost all contradict each other and making sense of it is very hard. That is why my post contradicts itself with different Information (some is false just don't know which) because making sense of it is driving me nuts and i figured someone could prove/disprove what i have. I do believe the fighter will be the razr hd as everything i have heard/seen point to it.

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**TC_Mits** · 04-22-2012, 01:25 PM

OK. Yeah, worth a shot.
Sorry I can't be of more help.

My suspicion is that a big part of the confusion is that there are more names floating around right now than there are handsets in the pipeline.

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**dmaxfan** · 04-22-2012, 01:27 PM

I did hear late may-early june release for razr hd from source. Take with a grain of salt

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**TC_Mits** · 04-22-2012, 01:28 PM

Nothing about D4G MAXX?

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**dmaxfan** · 04-22-2012, 02:02 PM

No, I really haven't been following it so i haven't asked. About the only info I've gotten from them was the name and the date the HD and vanquish is to be released. I really don't know if i trust the person or not. Anyone can say they have inside info that doesn't mean they do, but to be honest, most of the things I post comes from the net and a whole lot of reading. I don't like posting hearsay because I don't want to lose credibility.

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**TC_Mits** · 04-22-2012, 03:56 PM

The D4G MAXX is all hearsay and rumor, well maybe with a little logical deduction. There is only one solid posted rumor, and I'd have trouble finding that again, I suspect. But vzw has promised global D4s, and I don't expect them to retro-fit the existing ones. Also, the same LTE battery issues that made the RAZR MAXX happen apply to the D4. The D4 display was its Achilles heel, and the rumor I saw linked the D4G MAXX to screen improvements, which I find credible. I add it up, seems likely to me.

Who knows but what Moto'll slap a keyboard on the RAZR HD and call it a D4G? Then drop both again with MAXX batteries?

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**bsweetness** · 04-22-2012, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by TC_Mits

Nothing about D4G MAXX?

Honestly, I've not heard of the D4G MAXX outside of your comments about it here, and I frequent a lot of sites where that information first gets brought out. I'm not saying it won't happen, but there are no rumors or chatter about it whatsoever from the reading I've done.

Originally Posted by TC_Mits

But vzw has promised global D4s, and I don't expect them to retro-fit the existing ones.

Actually, Verizon has said the current D4 has global GSM capabilities (along with the LG Spectrum), but that "network enhancements" would be needed before they could enable it. So there's no need to retro-fit anything. The actual statement reads like all LTE phones that have a GSM radio (which is several of them, including the RAZR) could have global capabilities enabled at some point. Seems like it's software related, which makes sense since the radios and a SIM card slot are there already.

**kbman** · 04-22-2012, 09:57 PM

Bsweetness is entirely correct. The D4 has an MDM6600 baseband chipset that is exactly the same one as the D3 and all prior global Motos and the iPhone for that matter. The GSM bands have been disabled in the radio firmware because VZW doesn't have the network infrastructure in place to make it desirable(profitable) to do so.

As has been pointed out several times here by Susurro, there is no hardware barrier to a fully CDMA/LTE/GSM global device and the D4 has already been "officially"
Rumored to be the first such device on VZW via a firmware update.

**TC_Mits** · 04-22-2012, 10:16 PM

Yes, of course, it is well-known that the D4, like some other recent Moto releases, has global hardware which vzw has had disabled. I have posted to that effect more than once, Obviously, "retrofit" was a poor choice of words. I apologize.

I meant that the almost cagily careful language of the official vzw statement, and the lack of a dedicated GSM sim slot, both lead me to believe it doubtful existing D4s will have their global hardware activated "via firmware update"; if vzw does make good on its promise, it seems more likely to me that, like the D2, a future global version of the D4 would be released. Not to rule it out, but as so many have posted, when you select a new handset and invite the magician home for two years, experience shows that it's wise to think wysiwyg.

Oh, I posted on HoFo the rumor I saw on DF, perhaps as a link, at the time and it was commented on briefly in that thread, probably the D4 pre-release, but I'm not at all sure of that. And as I posted above, that's all there is to it, AFAIK. I also have seen nothing else at all.

Thanks to b & kb whose eagle eyes so quickly gathered in that confusing point in my post. Much swifter replies than I'm accustomed to -- good job!

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**kbman** · 04-24-2012, 12:38 AM

How is this for a response?

Droid Bionic running on T-Mobile SIM with full voice and data services...albeit EDGE only due to a limitation of the MDM6600 chipset not supporting the AWS bands that Tmo deploys their HSPA+ 3g/4g network on.

**TC_Mits** · 04-24-2012, 04:49 AM

Encouraging in that it's possible.
But then -- isn't that exactly why vzw would drag it's feet on the new firmware?

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**kbman** · 04-24-2012, 09:16 AM

I don't think you are understanding the implications of this at all...

You wanted to see GSM support on Moto LTE devices...these edits will work on the D4 and Razr as well...I am in the process of proving that right now!

**TC_Mits** · 04-24-2012, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by kbman

I don't think you are understanding the implications of this at all...

You wanted to see GSM support on Moto LTE devices...these edits will work on the D4 and Razr as well...I am in the process of proving that right now!

That is big! The D4 og looks far more interesting to me since my Big Brother activated the spyware chip in my DX. So I could port a D4 to TMo?

Rooting required, I presume?
No other networks match LTE freqs with vzw?

Oh. You're using a LTE sim slot for GSM, which means, that with vzw firmware fix, one sim slot could be dual purpose for LTE global use?

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**kbman** · 04-24-2012, 12:49 PM

Big Brother...spyware chips...come on now...this is silly...

No root required. This is editing the NVM to change the band configuration of the device to allow GSM bands.
The SIM slot and the rest of the pieces of the OS and radio parameters are already in place.

There is no SIM lock and it provisions automatically from the SIM exactly as it should.

No other modifications at all to the device are needed...it just "works"!