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    Quote Originally Posted by WaltA View Post
    Oh, wow. 4.5" screen would yield quite an unreasonably large device. Even 4.0" is getting too large for a smartphone. The D3 is a good example for a smartphone that's about the max size that can conveniently fit in a pocket.

    If you want a large screen device, they're called a tablet.
    Anything less than 4" is tiny, and does not have enough screen realestate 2 perform a lot of tasks comfortably. 4" is what I consider 2 b the absolute minimum 4 a device used 4 more than just calls. 4.5 is not actually 2 bad, all its dimensions would be similar 2 the original evo 4g, which was just about the perf size, given the the bezel size is kept in check, and the thickness does not exceed that of DROID3....

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    Quote Originally Posted by WaltA View Post
    Are there any replacement batteries for the D4 out there yet?
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    If the story that you'll loose unlimited data, if you dare to upgrade your phone, comes true, the D4 might be the phone I will need to keep for many, many years. ...

    Hope you've rooted. My observation is that OTAs late in the life cycle are so buggy they pretty much kill off the phone. My DX got way worse after I let 605 update. Now 621 bricks the phone -- really -- if you sbf.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WaltA View Post
    If the story that you'll loose unlimited data, if you dare to upgrade your phone, comes true, the D4 might be the phone I will need to keep for many, many years.
    What did I miss? Last I heard was the official VZW statement that said we would be able to keep unlimited data if we paid full retail price for future phones. (More specifically, if we didn't sign a new contract, which is typically done when buying a subsidized device, not when buying an unsubsidized device off contract.) (Just checked the main VZW forum and didn't see anything new, either.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BitMaestro View Post
    What did I miss? Last I heard was the official VZW statement that said we would be able to keep unlimited data if we paid full retail price for future phones. (More specifically, if we didn't sign a new contract, which is typically done when buying a subsidized device, not when buying an unsubsidized device off contract.) (Just checked the main VZW forum and didn't see anything new, either.)

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    Nothing. Walt's post is incomplete and I don't see why one couldn't sign a new contract AND pay retail but that wouldn't affect data anyway as its a "feature" and not part of the contract. So technically, Verizon could change it anytime, contract or no. But that's just not industry practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steveanderson13 View Post
    Nothing. Walt's post is incomplete and I don't see why one couldn't sign a new contract AND pay retail but that wouldn't affect data anyway as its a "feature" and not part of the contract. So technically, Verizon could change it anytime, contract or no. But that's just not industry practice.
    Well, my post wasn't about the new policy, but about replacing the battery. For that, my posting was indeed complete (and still unanswered).

    Verizon has said that signing a new contract will affect your data plan/feature. That after some future date (not yet announced), anyone signing a new contact will be changed from unlimited data to a tiered data plan. So, one could sign a new contract AND pay retail, and will definitely loose their unlimited data, but why would anyone?

    Also, my intent when I included the brief comment about upgrading a phone with Verizon, was that one was upgrading at the usual subsidized price. At least for me, if I was not going for a subsidized price, I would not be buying from Verizon anyway, and definitely not signing a new contract.

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    Price now under $100

    I see that Verizon has lowered the subsidized price on the Droid 4 to under $100. While I still haven't seen any credible info on a Droid 5, typically when the price starts to dip that low, a replacement phone is just around the corner.


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    So the cost now is around $130 including the renewal fee-for-nothing.

    Perhaps what's "just around the corner" is the D4 MAXX HD. If so, I may be faced with the dark dilemma of deciding whether or not I can buy my dream phone knowing it has a stealthy PLAN chip that can read my mail...and who knows what all else.

    Putting a switch on that battery will be hassle enough -- pull-ease don't be PenTile, too.
    Hey! This is post-Google Moto now, could it have an unlockable bootloader?


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    Quote Originally Posted by TC_Mits View Post
    So the cost now is around $130 including the renewal fee-for-nothing.
    Or back to $100 subtracting my last NE2 credit.


    Quote Originally Posted by TC_Mits View Post
    Hey! This is post-Google Moto now, could it have an unlockable bootloader?
    Naw, it is way too soon to see any Google influence in MOT's current product plans (road maps).

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    Quote Originally Posted by WaltA View Post
    Are there any replacement batteries for the D4 out there yet?

    I would assume it would be a kit that not only had the new battery, but also the specialized tools required (like the kit I bought to replace the battery in my old Palm).

    If the story that you'll loose unlimited data, if you dare to upgrade your phone, comes true, the D4 might be the phone I will need to keep for many, many years. For that, being able to eventually replace the battery becomes more than just an idle curiosity; but a necessity.
    Quote Originally Posted by WaltA View Post
    Well, my post wasn't about the new policy, but about replacing the battery. For that, my posting was indeed complete (and still unanswered).
    Nevertheless, your complete battery post included a subchapter on unlimited; the next poster, BitMaestro, was taken aback.

    Quote Originally Posted by WaltA View Post
    Verizon has said that signing a new contract will affect your data plan/feature. That after some future date (not yet announced), anyone signing a new contact will be changed from unlimited data to a tiered data plan.
    They also said that did not apply to unsubsidized phones. See press release in that thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by WaltA View Post
    So, one could sign a new contract AND pay retail, and will definitely loose their unlimited data, but why would anyone?
    Wouldn't lose unlimited.

    Quote Originally Posted by WaltA View Post
    Also, my intent when I included the brief comment about upgrading a phone with Verizon, was that one was upgrading at the usual subsidized price. At least for me, if I was not going for a subsidized price, I would not be buying from Verizon anyway, and definitely not signing a new contract.
    It's certainly throwing a monkey wrench into everything. But I, for one, hope its the beginning of the end for the subsidy model; and the beginning of a free market for phones. Maybe even the end of contracts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WaltA View Post
    typically when the price starts to dip that low, a replacement phone is just around the corner.
    It's just a Father's Day sale; the top Moto's are $100 off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TC_Mits View Post
    So the cost now is around $130 including the renewal fee-for-nothing.
    Tc, I know you're looking for a phone and hate contracts but here's my suggestion.

    Regarding contracts, you know many people get them, then cancel them, sell the phone, and pay the ETF? (iphone anyway).

    If your situation is unlikely to change, a contract does you no harm. If you die, you'll not pay the bill. They might even allow etf-free cancellation, lol.

    If your situation does change, you pay the ETF which goes down monthly. So with a free Bionic, your maximum risk is $250 (350-100 regular price). With a $100 d4, your maximum risk is $250.

    You've got a new, subsidized, cheap, good phone with unlimited data.

    I know your phone preferences and none of these align perfectly. But I don't think it will improve.

    Just my suggestions and what I would do. What are yours?

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    That's one direction I'm considering. Heard about a Xoom clearance @ $150 & shoulda jumped on it, but didn't know the shuffle steps well enough.

    A used Tbolt keeps Big Bro' outa my p..., er, pocket, and also has good hacked bootloader. D4 is good, but not quite good enough to pay $350 for, even new -- screen's small and bad PenTile. I really like the Rezound but guessing it's infected...
    That 64GB SD would make the SGSIII real tempting if it wasn't getting tossed in the Atlantic on the way over here...

    IF --- a D4 MAXX HD 4.7" non-PenTile with full SD support materializes --- I probably could not resist. If Google unlocked it's bootloader I'd be waiting at the door for the store to open...

    Truthfully, if Google remains intent on quashing external storage for media and vzw continues to defy Net Neutrality -- well, might be nice to have real Office on my phone, & the WiMP, too. Idk, but if I can't use my own media without incurring data charges then the whole idea of a "Droid does" it all mobile device sorta falls apart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TC_Mits View Post
    That 64GB SD would make the SGSIII real tempting if it wasn't getting tossed in the Atlantic on the way over here...
    Quote Originally Posted by TC_Mits View Post
    Truthfully, if Google remains intent on quashing external storage for media
    These don't jibe.

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    You wish to suggest that this is Samsung's doing and not Google's? Partners. But really I can't see Sammy ditching it's ground-breaking 64GB ... oops. Early post by my month-old kid Georgie Girl who keeps jumping up on my lap and tap-dancing there.

    To continue, now with a slightly more sedate 4 month old Grable nibbling the DX... IMO, Samsung didn't choose to drop SD support. At vzw's behest then? Probably.

    But I will blame Google until more complete and flexible SD protocols are again available to Android developers.


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    Question. For any D4 owners:

    Is the "Emergency Alerts" app with a 'Red Cross' on a white field icon installed on your phone?

    Some phones have special hardware to support this app and some do not. I would like to know if the D4 will accept it or not.

    Thanks!

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