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    Rogers LTE Band?

    Does anyone know what band Rogers uses for LTE? If so it is the same as Bell, Telus, and AT&T?(Like their HSPA 2100 Mhz)

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    Jeeverz,

    Greetings.

    Roger, TELUS and Bell are currently deploying their LTE networks in the LTE Band 4 (AWS).



    However, at&t is currently deploying its LTE network in the LTE Band 17 (700MHz, Lower B & C Block) with some markets going to be deployed in the LTE Band 4 (AWS).
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    I believe Rogers also started using 2600 mhz as well.

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    That's correct, the sierra ac330 uses the 2600 MHz band.

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    Eluder / B407,

    Rogers and Bell have NOT yet overlaid the LTE service in the BRS (MDS) spectrum, that is once used for their Inukshuk WiMAX network joint venture.

    http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.nsf/eng/sf09726.html

    Even though they are technically holding the licenses through their Inukshuk partnership and shutter the service, Industry Canada does wants to reallocate the BRS spectrum along with the 700MHz spectrum under the new framework.
    Last edited by HC - NO "i"; 03-06-2012 at 03:30 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HC - NO "i" View Post
    Eluder / B407,

    Rogers and Bell have NOT yet overlaid the LTE service in the BRS (MDS) spectrum, that is once used for their Inukshuk WiMAX network joint venture.

    http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst...g/sf09726.html

    Even though they are technically holding the licenses through their Inukshuk partnership and shutter the service, Industry Canada does wants to reallocate the BRS spectrum along with the 700MHz spectrum under the new framework.
    I'm pretty sure it has, check out mobilesyrup's review of the new Sierra rocket stick. They attribute the significantly faster download speeds to the 2600mhz band.

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    Agreed. B407 and I have the same mindset.

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    B407 / Eluder,

    The support capabilities and specifications of a particular device do not reflect the actual situation of deployment. Take UMTS Band I (2100) support, for example. Does Industry Canada actually allocate it for mobile telecom here? Then what is the LTE Band 7 (2600) is for? Future? Only Industry Canada and Rogers could tell. In the Rogers' press release dated 2011-04-27...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogers Wireless
    Rogers will initially launch LTE using AWS spectrum and will over time deploy LTE in multiple bands to ensure the best possible experience for customers. Rogers has selected Ericsson, the world's leading provider of technology and services to telecom operators, as its supplier in commercial deployment.
    But until the 700MHz and BRS spectrum have got reallocated / auctioned, it is just getting close - as they are going to shutter Inuksuk WiMAX network anyway. However, it could go the other ways too by then. As for the present days, this capability is also for some roaming partners in some European countries. TeliaSonera in Scandinavia and O2 in Germany, for example, have got their LTE networks currently deployed in the LTE Band 7 (2600).

    Look, I welcome the constructive discussion on this topic but not without the relevant information. In this case, Sierra Wireless, Rogers Wireless, Ericsson and Industry Canada are the relevant authorities - NOT MobileSyrup or myself. Feel feel to take Daniel or Ian's words out the context but we need to understand more about the background first.
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    If you look at the fine print at http://www.rogerslte.com/about-lte , the wording seems to indicate that 2600mhz has already been deployed for LTE in some areas. Also it doesn't make sense to release a new device that has no improvements over the old one except for 2600 mhz support if that feature can't be used yet.

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    B407,

    One can also say that since Sierra Wireless AirCard 313U Rocket Stick and AirCard 754S Rocket Mobile Hotspot are supporting the 700MHz and AWS, and therefore, by your logic, it seems to indicate that 700MHz has already been deployed for LTE in some areas even sooner. If you have the analyzer, the latest information from Industry Canada TAFL database and know where exactly the LTE Band 7 (2600), 13 (700MHz, Upper C Block) or 17 (700MHz, Lower B & C Blocks) have been deployed in Canada, please let me know.

    Otherwise, I have already mentioned where the current BRS service areas and licensees are... http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst...g/sf09726.html Until the Inukshuk WiMAX service has been completely converted to LTE, everything still remains as status-quo. Please note, I am not saying it will never happen. The LTE Band 7 (2600) capable device is a viable migration arrangement for the affected subscribers. However, it has not yet happened... wait until 2013-3-31 when their MCS licenses will be expired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HC - NO "i" View Post
    B407,

    One can also say that since Sierra Wireless AirCard 313U Rocket Stick and AirCard 754S Rocket Mobile Hotspot are supporting the 700MHz and AWS, and therefore, by your logic, it seems to indicate that 700MHz has already been deployed for LTE in some areas even sooner. If you have the analyzer, the latest information from Industry Canada TAFL database and know where exactly the LTE Band 7 (2600), 13 (700MHz, Upper C Block) or 17 (700MHz, Lower B & C Blocks) have been deployed in Canada, please let me know.
    I don't think you're understanding my logic. The 313U supports the 700mhz because AT&T which carries the same product uses 700 mhz. It wouldn't make sense for Rogers to spend money to purchase inventory of the 330U which is identical to the 313U except for 2600 mhz support if it hasn't already deployed LTE on the 2600 mhz band. They could wait until its actually deployed or at least wait until a week before it launches service on the 2600mhz

    Also if you look at the marketing page for the 330U it clearly states that it is capable of faster speeds due to the additional frequency, and if you look at the fine print associated with that statement it says

    "Based on Rogers 2600 MHz spectrum available in majority of sectors within Rogers LTE coverage areas; in sectors where 2600 MHz is not available, device will seamlessly fallback to 2100 MHz."

    If it hasn't already been deployed, I think the legalese would indicate that the feature is coming soon, instead of boldly stating that 2600mhz has already been deployed in the majority of its coverage area.

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    Agreed, the Rogers language on their own website seems to indicate they're already using 2600 MHz spectrum for LTE where available.

    Anyone got equipment they can use to test this out for sure? :-)

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    2600 MHz is also used for LTE on Rogers network as well as 2100 Mhz with a 20 Mhz bandwidth on the 2600 MHz band and 10 MHz bandwidth on the 2100 Mhz band.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HC - NO "i" View Post
    cmstlist,

    Any one who works in the industry and have the relevant access knows the facts regarding the non-existence of LTE Band 7 (2600) in Canada. Network optimization personnel, for example.
    So why is Rogers telling its customers about the 2600 MHz LTE band, if they're not actually using it?

    If the current licence for the BRS spectrum is held by Inukshuk Wireless Partnership - which consists of Bell and Rogers - is it not possible the partnership has granted Rogers the right to use that band? Wireless carriers are allowed to grant the right to use each other's spectrum on their own towers.

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    cmstlist,

    The thing is the current "2500MHz" BRS spectrum (MCS/MDS) in Canada has NOT yet be REALIGNED and REALLOCATED to match with the LTE Band 7 (2600)! In fact, Industry Canada is still in the consultation on the framework along with the 700MHz. Read http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst...y-comments.pdf and you should find where Rogers has currently got and wants for the future.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogers
    Executive Summary

    1. As a proven leader in the Canadian telecommunications industry, Rogers continues to make significant investments to ensure that Canadians will have access to the most advanced mobile technology and services in the world. We are using all of our available mobile spectrum, including our 2500 MHz spectrum, to implement 4G Long Term Evolution (“LTE”) technology in Canada’s top markets. Rogers would like to bid for additional 2500 MHz spectrum so that we will be able to provide Canadians with the unprecedented mobile broadband speeds that will be enabled by LTE and future technologies such as LTE-Advanced.

    2. The upcoming auction of 2500 MHz spectrum presents Canada with an important opportunity. The relatively large amount of spectrum in this band can be used to create wider spectrum blocks than is possible in other mobile spectrum bands. Wider blocks can be used to provide Canadians with significantly faster mobile broadband speeds and higher quality services.

    3. Through its 50% ownership stake in Inukshuk Wireless Partnership (Inukshuk), Rogers has taken significant risks and made substantial investments in developing the 2500 MHz band so that the benefits of fixed wireless broadband services can be extended across Canada. Inukshuk has invested several hundred million dollars in extending its network and it provides fixed wireless broadband service (up to 3 Mbps) in 45 cities and over 300 rural markets.

    4. Since Inukshuk’s spectrum is shared between Rogers and Bell their individual entitlement amounts to 50% of the total amount of 2500 MHz spectrum licensed to Inukshuk. This means that, in some areas, Rogers will have access to 20+20 MHz of paired spectrum, while in other areas it will have access to 10+10 MHz of paired spectrum. Rogers will require additional BRS spectrum in order to create wider blocks and offer faster mobile broadband services.

    5. There is absolutely no need or justification for special measures such as caps or set-asides to promote competition. The Canadian wireless market has gone from being highly competitive to hyper-competitive. AWS new entrants have entered the wireless market and are already making inroads in major Canadian cities.

    6. Several parties, including AWS new entrants, complain that incumbents have an unfair advantage because of the amount of spectrum that they hold. Yet most of these parties actually passed on a number of opportunities to acquire mobile spectrum, including 2500 MHz spectrum, as recently as 2010. Now these parties are seeking government assistance to offset their failure to take the risk and make the required investments when spectrum was readily available. They are asking the government to reward them with discriminatory auction rules and to punish incumbents such as Rogers for taking the risk and making the necessary investments in the wireless market. This is a proposal that the Department should reject.

    7. The Department should license 2500 MHz spectrum in blocks of 5+5 MHz in the paired portion of the band and in blocks of 5 MHz in the unpaired portion, using Tier 3 service areas. In order to allow for the introduction of exceptionally fast mobile data speeds, bidders should be permitted to assemble multiple blocks into wider blocks. Otherwise, Canada will miss the enormous opportunity made possible by this band, and all of the economic and social benefits that will accrue from it.

    8. In light of the fact that 2500 MHz spectrum will be an important enabler of mobile broadband services and unprecedented data speeds, Canada cannot afford to let 2500 MHz spectrum lie underutilized in the hands of spectrum speculators. Successful bidders should be required to roll out service in accordance with the Tier 3 five-year roll-out targets that were used for the licensing of Advanced Wireless Services (AWS) spectrum.
    Again, I am not saying it will never happen but the current situation with BRS spectrum in Canada has yet to be fully conform with the LTE Band 7 (2600) in all markets i.e. 2500-2570MHz for the Uplink, 2620-2690MHz for the Downlink. Of course, such LTE capable device is a viable migration arrangement for the affected Inukshuk subscribers.
    Last edited by HC - NO "i"; 03-07-2012 at 01:58 AM.

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