Reply With QuoteAha! Quite well enough to explain the throttling debacle.Originally Posted by jet1000
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No. I didn't disagree with the evidence presented. I just stated the fact that no evidence was presented. If you think what you presented was evidence, then perhaps you should look up that word in the dictionary.
You didn't provide the source of the information that said AT&T pressured Apple. The articles you provided had no source either.So your problem now is not with me, but with at least two sources I have provided.
Right. Without a source, it is just speculation.They don't call it speculation, you do.
I have no reason to believe someone's speculation.If you don't want to believe, don't.
As was stated, Verizon and Sprint's 4G networks (LTE & wimax) are not compatible with the iPhone. So iPhone correctly identifies the networks used on Verizon and Sprint as 3G. The proof of that is in the iPhone4S spec sheet:Proof that Verizon and Sprint wanted nothing of it or their phones would indicate 4G as well.
http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html
CDMA EV-DO Rev. A has never been considered 4G by anyone.
You wanted your proof, you got it.
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Aha! Quite well enough to explain the throttling debacle.
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Displaying "4G" for HSPA 14.4 is questionable to begin with, since that's not even proper HSPA+ (which starts at 21 Mbps), but I could live with that.
Displaying "4G" for HSPA 7.2 and UMTS is just plain ridiculous.
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Thats pretty much what AT&T does on their other Android smartphones. My LG Nitro HD displays 4G even when on UMTS.
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Geeze, how many 4G phones do they have?
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Exactly, there is no proof that that part of the update was for anyone more than just AT&T phones.
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And I say there is evidence, you don't, you disagree.
You are not a judge, this is not a court of law, and I don't have to prove anything to you. But you also don't have the right to state as "fact" something which you merely hold has a belief.ev·i·dence [ev-i-duhns]
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that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief; proof.
If you wish for sources for the statements, then ask the author. I take the journalists word for their writing. You don't. You have no basis to consider these articles are speculative at all. Journalists know that if you can’t verify it, then don’t say it. So you should ask the article writer to verify their writings, before making baseless accusations against them calling them speculative.
There is no evidence that these statements were speculative, those are your words, not found in any of the sources I mentioned. Again, you disagree, fine. But for now, the story stands as written. Its up to you to prove it false, and you haven't
As for Verizon and Sprint, as you stated, the change only applied to AT&T phones, I wonder why you have a problem understanding that the change was initiated by AT&T with Apple.
Last edited by spdickey; 03-16-2012 at 07:50 PM.
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According to cnet.com AT&T now has 10 LTE phones. More if you add in the HSPA+ devices the carrier is now calling 4G.
http://www.howardforums.com/showthre...4#post14757194
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Based upon the Icons descriptions in the iPhone iOS 5.1 User Guide on page 12, the "4G" is not exclusively for the benefit of AT&T Mobility.
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Please name one USA carrier other than AT&T who can take advantage off this change.
Last edited by spdickey; 03-17-2012 at 12:00 AM.
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Apple calls the iPhone 4S a world phone. It just so happens that AT&T is the only GSM carrier in the United States offering the iPhone. Your outlook is too parochial.
How did that extra word get into my message you quoted?
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Sorry, I corrected some bad mobile keyboarding.
Name one overseas carrier who takes advantage then. Then realize that AT&T requested the change from Apple, and Apple capitulated. And no other carrier outside North America benefited from the change.
In AT&T's own words "only AT&T has this unique network advantage."
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Last edited by spdickey; 03-17-2012 at 12:32 AM.
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I would think that AT&T's talking points were for audiences in the United States. They are only competing with three CDMA carriers here. The iPhone 4S only has EV-DO Rev A capability on CDMA networks. This is undisputed 3G techñology. They have never competed with foreign GSM carriers for subscribers. The firmware in the iPhone 4S should respond the same way universally when it encounters a network with the characteristics which cause the "4G" icon to appear. There is no AT&T only iOS 5.1 update. The same update is applied worldwide.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/st...g-network.html
(Note date of March 2, 2011, which is considerably earlier than your October 2011 attachment).
http://www.cincinnatibell.com/wirele...uawei_ascendx/
Last edited by efparri; 03-17-2012 at 09:42 AM.
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Since we're discussing the software update that Apple pushed out to the iPhone 4S that indicates 4G while in an AT&T HSPA+ area let's concentrate on AT&T.
Since the software date was done at the insistence of AT&T, and AT&T is the only carrier (other some closely related Canadian operators) benefiting from the 4G hange we should look to AT&T to accept responsibility for initiating the change with Apple.
Last edited by spdickey; 03-17-2012 at 11:03 AM.
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European carriers conform to definitions set by the European Union, unlike the US, where every carrier is practically a free-fall of carrier dependencies
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