You make a valid point and I won't try to defend At&t for this decision. Ultimately, At&t can force whatever they want to show in the phone indicators/icons whether or not we feel it is entirely true or fair. Would take intervention by the government to change that choice.
If I'm annoyed and you're annoyed, does that make us a paranoid ??
Sarcasm is a fine art...
"Don't believe everything you think"
It's not a matter of if you win or lose, it's how you assign the blame
I was looking at the website of the wireless carrier in the Bahamas. They advertise 4G service. One of the phones they sell for 4G service is the BlackBerry Bold 9900 which has HSPA 14.4 capability.
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This is not a United States term. The International Telecommunications Union-Radio, an arm of the United Nations, promulgated the standard. Telstra was using "Next G" for its high speed service before the standard came out. In mathematics the next integer after "3" is "4." So "Next G" is equivalent to saying "4G."
This should take some of the wind out of the sails of those who are blaming it all on AT&T Mobility. Maybe Apple was not so unwilling after all.
Last edited by efparri; 04-20-2012 at 07:04 PM.
Apparently some of the world doesn't agree with the USA use of the term 4G in non-LTE applications.
This strikes us a rather ballsy, and not in a way that is likely to be rewarded in court. In Australia, after all, the term “4G” does convey that a product is compatible with a specific network technology (Australia’s LTE network, to be exact). Apple is implying that the Australian government is wrong, and that their definition of 4G should follow the U.S.-centered move to redefine 4G to include HSPA+ networks.
I usually support government regulation, but It is unfortunate that the government over-regulated and killed the AT&T/ T-Mobile Merger
The best explanation of the pricing nutiness in the industry.
Why Sprint and T-Mo will always suck.
The only way to end the pricing insanity is to eliminate contracts and subsidies.
I want Wifi calling on AT&T.
If you text while driving, you're an idiot. End of story.
And let's not forget that T-Mobile started it. (Referring to HSPA+ as 4G)
I have identified carriers in Canada, Bermuda, South Africa and The Bahamas who use 4G to describe both HSPA 14.4 and HSPA+ networks. I could have located more but I got tired of the quirky Google translation service. Many of them have the BlackBerry Bold 9900, which is capable of 14.4 and not LTE or HSPA+.
From PCMag.com...although it is recognized that this term (4G), while undefined, may also be applied to the forerunners of these technologies, LTE and WiMax, and to other evolved 3G technologies providing a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed.
The ITU stands by its official definition of 4G speeds, LTE Release 10 and WiMAX 2, which are being tested and not expected to deploy commercially until 2012. But it's likely that the UN subsidiary just grew weary of re-educating consumers with its stringent definition.
In other words, all that public bickering over which carrier really has 4G (previous answer: zero) was all for naught. Based on the new guideline, commercially deployed LTE (Verizon), WiMax (Sprint) and HSPA+ (T-Mobile) can all call themselves "4G." (ed: Which the LTU now calls "undefined.")
"When the world's mobile carriers decided to ignore the ITU's definition of 4G, it really put the organization in a bind," PCMag's lead mobile analyst Sascha Segan said. "To remain relevant, the ITU had to find some way to fall in line with the language that much of the global cell phone industry is insisting on using."
Read more... http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2374564,00.asp
And this chart from 2010 reminds us of what we were talking about two years ago.
"may also be applied to the forerunners of these technologies, LTE and WiMax, and to other evolved 3G technologies providing a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed. "
Note those keywords "may also be applied". That is where they authorized it. If you dispute that, then you should consult a good dictionary and locate the definition of authorize that applies to the way that I'm using it.
After which, you are welcome to return to this thread to post your apology for your accusation that I posted false information when in fact, it was completely accurate.
Last edited by spdickey; 04-22-2012 at 02:26 PM.
If "4G" is "undefined," why all the dialog about phones showing the "4G" icon? You have managed to defeat your own argument.