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Phone Collector
As many people as they are who use iPhone, in particular the 4S, why hasn't anyone brought up a false advertising card? Sure it's a HSPA+ device, but what about those areas in which HSPA+ isn't active yet it still displays 4G. It even displays 4G while on a 3G micro-cell. This is clearly false advertising because it really isn't 4G. I have so many people ask me everyday if it's really 4G or not and if not, why is it not. I usually post Facebook statuses about it and people respond. A local carrier is deploying LTE here and I think AT&T falsely labeling their network indicators on smartphones as 4G is a fake competitive advantage over their competition and will hurt them (in my opinon) when they start marketing their LTE network because those who do not know the difference will simply say "i've had 4G for 6 months on my iPhone 4S' (LTE is expected to be live this fall).
What are your thoughts?
This isn't just with iPhone either, nearly all new androids display a 4G indicator
I know HSPA+ being 4G is a entirely different argument and technically AT&T would win saying it was 4G since ITU standards says it is, BUT, those areas who they don't have it deployed... how are they doing this?
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How many people do you really think take the term "4G" seriously?
I honestly think most people take it as a marketing term, like "New and Improved" ads for shampoo or detergent.
With carriers being unwilling to commit to actual speeds, for obvious reasons, what is a customer to think?
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Now over 1,500 T-Mobile sites in these 12 counties
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This did make the press last month and was roundly discussed at
http://www.howardforums.com/showthre...iOS-5-1-update
Phone Collector
I realize that, I meant with false advertising claims. A lady didn't get the proper gas mileage out of her new CIvic and sued.. I'm just wondering why someone hasn't sued AT&TOriginally Posted by spdickey
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I agree with you 100%. Whether the "4G" logo is appropriate in HSPA+ with enhanced backhaul markets is arguable, but displaying it even when on a UMTS or plain HSPA system is downright ludicrous and should be rightfully challenged.
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I've climbed a cellphone tower
Nobody has (and likely can't) because AT&T, like all carriers, does not guarantee speed. With the iPhone, the advertising claims "only AT&T let's you iPhone download up to 3x faster" compared to other carriers. Are they right? Yes. Calling it 4G is a stretch, but when CDMA iPhones go up to 3.1Mbps and AT&T iPhones go up to 14.4Mbps, there is some truth in the advertising.
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AT&T HSPA+_____________________________________________ ____________AT&T LTE
If it shows 4G/HSPA+, the tower that the device is on has the HSPA+ software enabled. They might not have sufficient backhaul to reach true HSPA+ speeds, but the phone is still receiving an HSPA+ signal.
Pretty much every tower that is 3G has the HSPA+ software loaded. Once the area is backhauled properly, then customers will start getting true HSPA+ speeds.
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That would make sense except the OP reported that the device shows 4G when connected to a 3G micro cell. The micro cell likely does not have HSPA+ software.
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beating this drum is a waste of energy. The 4G badge has no real value...still surprises me people get all worked up over it.
The phones indicate whether you are on Edge, HSPA(+), or LTE and that's what really matters.
Very true. If the speeds aren't sufficient for your needs, switch to a different provider. If they are sufficient, why would you worry about a little icon on the phone?
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The 3G MicroCell is for voice. It was never meant for a cellular data connection. Since one has to have a data connection with an ISP to use the 3G MicroCell, why route data through it and use up your cellular data allowance for data for which you have already paid once? Use data directly from the ISP cow.
Earl F. Parrish
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The point is it is false by showing 4G even when its just basic HSDPA
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We're not using it for data.... BUT if it only displayed it when connected to HSPA+ and not UMTS, why does it show 4G in my microcell? The phone Does NOT have a 3G indicator. I'll beat this drum if I want because I believe, rightfully so, this is lying to consumers outright. See attachment
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The 4G using HSPA+ is for voice as well as data. The 4G using LTE and WiMax is data only. Voice travels via Voice over IP with WiMax.
I never said anything about beating a drum. You should have replied directly to that person rather than quoting my mesage and implying that I said that.
I have a blue tooth
I don't know that you've shown any evidence that if you take the phone to another country, that 3G won't show up at that country either.
As someone else stated, if all of the AT&T towers have been updated with HSPA+ software, that's all the device can tell. The device is not equipped to determine the backhaul connected to the tower.
As for the MicroCell, perhaps that's a bug that Apple needs to correct if you are bothered by it. Perhaps just showing "M-Cell" without a 3G or a 4G logo would be more appropriate.
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