Tweeted this afternoon by @stewartlyons (CAPS are his):
Not cool. Not cool at all.FOR ALL YOU LOXCELL/CELLMAPPER USERS OUT THERE - ITS NOT ACCURATE!! WHEN WE ANNOUNCE A NEW SITE, ITS NEW!!!
Loxcel's cell tower mapping is based solely on the monthly Industry Canada TAFL data releases.
Mobilicity's TAFL data is based solely on the uploads Mobilicity makes, required by Industry Canada every 30 days.
Each month's file upload is a complete list of all towers in operation, and replaces the previous month's data*.
740 York Mills Rd is listed in the March 1 TAFL release, and was listed in the February 1 and the January 3 TAFL releases (as far back as my TAFL archive goes).
740 York Mills Rd is mapped by Loxcel since September, and I have absolutely no doubt that this site mapping is based on TAFL which is based on Mobilicity's uploads.
Which leaves the original question, unanswered...
Why is Mobilicity announcing a new tower at the same intersection as 740 York Mills Rd, a tower that has been registered by Mobilicity with Industry Canada for at least 6 months?
* AWS/PCS/Cellular Data Upload
The Industry Canada requirements (as referred to, link was posted!) require a full list of towers in operation.
Which Edmonton towers have been deployed since before February and are not listed in the March 1 TAFL file? (which is what Loxcel maps).I cant say that loxcel is accurate. I know of towers in Edmonton, which exist but are not in loxcel and towers which loxcel shows but doesnt exist.
Which towers are mapped in Loxcel and are not listed in that month's TAFL release?
xtachx.. you are forgetting how TAFL works, ignoring how Loxcel works, and are sounding like the apologist. Or maybe you didn't read the post?
It should be obvious I'm only interested in Mobilicity examples.
Last edited by pjw918; 03-13-2012 at 11:59 AM.
I was under the impression the TAFL was a database of active tower licenses. Thus, a tower can be in TAFL even if a carrier hasn't turned it on yet, as long as they have an approved license for an active tower. I could be wrong though.
This means they could have gotten the go ahead from Industry Canada to have a tower there in September, but there was a hold up in the actual construction. Maybe there was a lease issue, or an issue with a vendor, or an issue getting appropriate staff out there. Maybe the tower has actually been on but operating in low power mode while they sorted something else out.
In the end, Moblicity is legally obligated to report towers to Industry Canada. There could very well be discrepencies but all of the infomation is just data provided by Mobilicity. When Stewart Lyons said that when they "announce a new site, it's new!", that can all be relative as to what constitutes new but a tower doesn't just instantly get turned on over the course of 1 day and suddenly become active. Just saying that they are in the process of building towers and that it sometimes takes some time from when they first appear in TAFL and the time that everything is complete for things such as construction, tweaking, and testing may have been a wiser move.
For the record, this is the copy and past question I tweeted to @stewartlyons Saturday morning. I'm guessing his tweet this afternoon was in response to others asking as well.
Question please Stewart, how does the York Mills Rd & Leslie St site differ from the old site at 740 York Mills Rd?
I don't think I phrased mine in a provocative way.
data upload requirements:
AWS/PCS and cellular radio communication stations are not licensed individually. Instead, a spectrum licence is issued that authorizes the licensee to establish and operate stations on specific frequency bands within a given geographic area. However, although the stations are not site-licensed, we must maintain information on these stations in our Assignment and Licensing System (ALS) database to help us monitor and manage spectrum use within Canada.
Each submission should contain information on every station currently in operation... [not] stations coming into service, being changed, or taken out of operation... Industry Canada will erase all information on that company's stations, and replace it with the new information in the submission.
The upload requirement is every 30 days, on a date scheduled by Industry Canada for the specific spectrum licensee.
(And good on you, for tweeting the question PJ) I've just posted a new thread to address this specific aspect and would appreciate your participation there. I tried to be less provocative (for me!) but I dont think I was as successful as you seem to be at coming across reasonable and non-aggressive. :/
because both Mobilicity and Stewart Lyons tweeted about a new tower (22 minutes apart)
but one said one intersection and the other said a valid intersection without a listed tower.
(Don Mills and leslie vs York Mills) IIRC.