Android or Apple?

[TC_Mits]

What you're describing regarding the SD card is more an argument for having lots of storage full stop, not necessarily an SD card slot. My iPhone is a 64GB model; I can hold all my music and all the apps I'd care to have with room to spare. The problem is more that Android makers aren't usually following suit. The Galaxy S III is the first Android phone I've seen with 64GB of storage, and then only on international models. If an HTC One X or Galaxy Nexus had 64GB, a lot of the complaints would go away.

Your suggeestion that a fixed IM storage unit is the same as an expandable one "is more an argument for having" 10GB tiered data instead of an unrestricted unlimited plan. Reduced to its essence, it's 'sour grapes'.

I have over 300 gigs of music on my PC's HDD and probably close to that many movies. 60GB usable IM won't do. The ~90GB on my pre-order SGSIII will help, but I'll likely tape a second SD card to the battery.

Maybe, atm, my case will seem extreme to most folks, but data usage will continue to expand, which is why vzw just restructured its entire business model around data instead of minutes. In that context, an argument for anything fixed as the equal of a flexible alternative is specious.

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On the Droid 3: forget that, ask how well is the Droid 4 faring. It's definitely not top three at Verizon, and the iPhone is outselling every LTE Android device on Verizon, combined (this is from Verizon's own data). Doing well in the past doesn't help much if you're on the downward path.

The D4 just isn't very good in the current milieu. That why it's not selling well. It has more to do with the now tiny PenTile display -- and other deficiencies -- than its slide form factor. The D3 was much better -- for its time -- and so is the correct example.

I am so tired of iPhone epitomizing. Android will never be better than Apple at making iPhones. If Android succeeds, it will be through differentiation, not copycatting.

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I saw that Google patent, but there's a problem: it's basically describing the T-Mobile G1. It sounds more like Google trying to secure its design past than dictate the future. I'd say the trend has been towards fewer and fewer physical keys in the Nexus line, not more (hence Android 4.0 and the Galaxy Nexus).

Don't buy the Tmo example -- even without bothering to look. Even so, there's a very good chance you're right here. I expressed the Nexus slider desire only as a hope, not a firm expectation. And I think there's still reason to hope, albeit not a lot.


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[TC_Mits]

@Drillbit: 'You're the winner.'
You may make sense to yourself but I am unable to see how your responses apply to my arguments. Have fun.

As you go forward, consider that JB is here now -- three months ahead of schedule -- and ask yourself if that alters the logic at all.


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Tc, if you want to wait a year between updates, get an iphone. Or get a lumia, they look like they have a future.

Yes, watching for WP8 developments closely. My SGSIII is now out-of-date -- before it ships.

Btw, it's not the time between two updates that I'm referring to, it's the time between the Google release of the source code for any one update and when the OTA gets to my handset.


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[Drillbit]

It doesn't alter the fact that you are whining about the supposed "lateness" of an Android upgrade that is overtaken by a newer version.

You seem to have a problem understanding a simple fact.

[Drillbit]

What you're describing regarding the SD card is more an argument for having lots of storage full stop, not necessarily an SD card slot. My iPhone is a 64GB model; I can hold all my music and all the apps I'd care to have with room to spare. The problem is more that Android makers aren't usually following suit. The Galaxy S III is the first Android phone I've seen with 64GB of storage, and then only on international models. If an HTC One X or Galaxy Nexus had 64GB, a lot of the complaints would go away.

On the Droid 3: forget that, ask how well is the Droid 4 faring. It's definitely not top three at Verizon, and the iPhone is outselling every LTE Android device on Verizon, combined (this is from Verizon's own data). Doing well in the past doesn't help much if you're on the downward path.

I saw that Google patent, but there's a problem: it's basically describing the T-Mobile G1. It sounds more like Google trying to secure its design past than dictate the future. I'd say the trend has been towards fewer and fewer physical keys in the Nexus line, not more (hence Android 4.0 and the Galaxy Nexus).

Maybe you are late in the news, but Verizon's top best seller is the Droid RAZR Maxx. Even over the iPhone in that network.

You seem to have forgotten that Android users can also switch between different micro SDs in and out, and can store more stuff in the cloud. You also have forgotten that Android users can also share disk drive resources on PCs even wirelessly.

[TC_Mits]

You were ranting about the update time way before you ordered s3, imo. I don't grasp your point since none of your rants affected you anyway.

But since you ordered s3, I doubt you'll be happy with the update cycle. But you still haven't answered my question:

What do you need that you don't have, either on the x or the s3, that is affected by the update cycle?

Anyone who has a current Android device or may someday get one should be concerned by the slow OTA release cycle. Some folks could well decide to go WP8 instead of Android mainly for that reason.

What I need and don't have is always the same -- the 'latest and greatest' new thing, whatever that is. In this case it turns out it was a "butter"-scotch JellyBean but, of course, I couldn't have known that until it happened.

I fully agree with your assessment of the S3's OTA update prospects.


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[T Bong]

Anyone who has a current Android device or may someday get one should be concerned by the slow OTA release cycle. Some folks could well decide to go WP8 instead of Android mainly for that reason.

What I need and don't have is always the same -- the 'latest and greatest' new thing, whatever that is. In this case it turns out it was a "butter"-scotch JellyBean but, of course, I couldn't have known that until it happened.

I fully agree with your assessment of the S3's OTA update prospects.


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Not if they buy a Samsung device. 5 minute root and another 5 minutes to flash the most current ROM Samsung has to offer. The developers are far faster than any "official" updates. I am surprised at how well Android is doing despite the fact most people don't realize the power and capability of their devices when rooted. Even Apple is beginning to copy Certain aspects of the Android GUI,

We will have JB on legacy devices long before it is OTA to any current device.

[TC_Mits]

One word: warranty.

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[Doolie]

Not if they buy a Samsung device. 5 minute root and another 5 minutes to flash the most current ROM Samsung has to offer. The developers are far faster than any "official" updates. I am surprised at how well Android is doing despite the fact most people don't realize the power and capability of their devices when rooted. Even Apple is beginning to copy Certain aspects of the Android GUI,

We will have JB on legacy devices long before it is OTA to any current device.

And Android copying Apple. Audio over USB. Lower latency for real time audio record/playback. Siri. These 3 things to name a few are available with Apple, coming to JellyBeans someday when it is released into the wild.

As for the notification system that Apple supposedly ripped off from Android. I think Android just copied Mac OS and the Growl notification system that has been around for ages. Nothing new.

[Drillbit]

And Android copying Apple. Audio over USB. Lower latency for real time audio record/playback. Siri. These 3 things to name a few are available with Apple, coming to JellyBeans someday when it is released into the wild.

The first two has been around with PCs. In fact audio over USB were being done by HTC Windows Mobile phones. Like really old Windows Mobile phones. Siri? Vlingo has been doing this, and speech and talk interfaces are already done by IBM long ago.

As for the notification system that Apple supposedly ripped off from Android. I think Android just copied Mac OS and the Growl notification system that has been around for ages. Nothing new.

Android notification patent covers the user of wireless and device events.

[Doolie]

The first two has been around with PCs. In fact audio over USB were being done by HTC Windows Mobile phones. Like really old Windows Mobile phones. Siri? Vlingo has been doing this, and speech and talk interfaces are already done by IBM long ago.



Android notification patent covers the user of wireless and device events.

Oh really? You are running "Google Now"? I thought that "Google Now" isn't out yet. Interesting. iOS has had voice commands before Siri. Vlingo is available on iOS and Blackberry too. The difference is Siri isn't some 3rd party app that has permission to your personal private data and complete control of your phone including your personal SMS information.

Yes, USB audio may have been done with HTC Windows mobile phones, but not Android OS prior to JellyBeans. Android OS is finally catching up to your ol' HTC Windows Mobile phone with the creak of death that plagued them.

[Drillbit]

Oh really? You are running "Google Now"? I thought that "Google Now" isn't out yet. Interesting. iOS has had voice commands before Siri. Vlingo is available on iOS and Blackberry too. The difference is Siri isn't some 3rd party app that has permission to your personal private data and complete control of your phone including your personal SMS information.

Yes, USB audio may have been done with HTC Windows mobile phones, but not Android OS prior to JellyBeans. Android OS is finally catching up to your ol' HTC Windows Mobile phone with the creak of death that plagued them.

Boy, Google Voice Search and Voice Actions has been around since Android 2.1.

Let me remind you that Siri is once a third party app. And while at the third party app form it may not have access to your personal information, it probably does now as part of Apple. Please note and read your 75 page EULA before you sign away your life on your device. You can't be a "personal" assistant with the assistant knowing your personal information. It needs that to get quality results.

The fact that Jellybean only now had USB audio is irrelevant to the point you claim that Android copied that from Apple. This kind of support has been around PCs and with many older phones. Apple has no IP over that.

[Doolie]

Boy, Google Voice Search and Voice Actions has been around since Android 2.1.

Let me remind you that Siri is once a third party app. And while at the third party app form it may not have access to your personal information, it probably does now as part of Apple. Please note and read your 75 page EULA before you sign away your life on your device. You can't be a "personal" assistant with the assistant knowing your personal information. It needs that to get quality results.

The fact that Jellybean only now had USB audio is irrelevant to the point you claim that Android copied that from Apple. This kind of support has been around PCs and with many older phones. Apple has no IP over that.

iOS has had voice search as long. If not longer. The Google Search app even has it as well as Bing or Yahoo. There have been plenty of voice apps. Your point is irrelevant. None of these are Google Now.

[T Bong]

One word: warranty.

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Not needed.. I buy International phones usually used......never had a warranty never needed one. I self insure. I insure against financial catastrophe not inconvenience.....a $600 loss is not catastrophic. Our back up phone is a used but working SGSII I9100.

I have saved enough in data fees alone on MediaNet to more than pay for a new device if we need one. However We can always still use our upgrade as well. But that would be a last resort. ATT doesn't have a phone I would want to pay $30 a month data for. Would sell it and buy an international device.

[T Bong]

And Android copying Apple. Audio over USB. Lower latency for real time audio record/playback. Siri. These 3 things to name a few are available with Apple, coming to JellyBeans someday when it is released into the wild.

As for the notification system that Apple supposedly ripped off from Android. I think Android just copied Mac OS and the Growl notification system that has been around for ages. Nothing new.

If the latter were true and worthy, what a huge omission on their iPhone years ago!! So they wait until someone at google applies it to a phone THEN they decide
"wow We need that" umm right.

USB Audio and especially Siri are gimmicky. I have never seen anyone talking commands into their phones ever publicly. And really, IPhone does not even have a standard usb port on the device. Must have that proprietary cable and more importantly port which soon will be changed rendering all the i-ccessories worthless.

I would much rather have my phone's usb plugged into my charging system on my bike while i listen to music, take calls and get GPS voice directions on a long ride using the mini audio port, as far as "real time" audio playback. When I hear it, its "real time" I don;t quite get the idea of "real time" audio playback. buffering is fine with me.

[Drillbit]

iOS has had voice search as long. If not longer. The Google Search app even has it as well as Bing or Yahoo. There have been plenty of voice apps. Your point is irrelevant. None of these are Google Now.

Find out how long Google Voice Actions and Voice Search has been around. Google Voice Search has been around Nokia and Blackberrry phones before they were on iOS. And yes, this was implemented across Google Maps on these phones as well. And what are you talking about Google Now? Many of the capabilities found in Google Now has already been around with Google Voice Actions. Pointing to Google Now is irrelevant.