Is it really worth it?

**icemasta** · 04-30-2012, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by tendenzi

. The new expansion isn't gaining the traction it did when it launched originally with it limited 3 pockets. Perhaps a better expansion strategy would have been more rewarding.

Having Winnipeg up earlier than this year would've been a good idea considering the Big 3 only have 3G in the city which would've roughly been the size of Wind's eventual Winnipeg home zone.

**Tendenzi** · 04-30-2012, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by icemasta

Having Winnipeg up earlier than this year would've been a good idea considering the Big 3 only have 3G in the city which would've roughly been the size of Wind's eventual Winnipeg home zone.

You're right I guess my main point was directed at the random sprawl in Ontario.

**OCZ** · 04-30-2012, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by tendenzi

You still waiting for some "coming 2010" zone expansions too?

yup! thats my point .... again I am not attacking WIND (I'm currently a satisfied WIND customer) but I feel like I am in a box or something because of the spotty coverage and small coverage east of Toronto around Durham Region

**icemasta** · 04-30-2012, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by tendenzi

You're right I guess my main point was directed at the random sprawl in Ontario.

I thought by limited pockets you meant the original main home zones. To the Ontario pocket home zones, the question I have is whether the pocket zones effectively cover a person residing in the area? For example the Barrie home zone looks very limited so I wouldn't think a Barrie resident would swtich, or even London or Peterborough. I'll say that I'm not familiar with those area's so that's why I'm questioning.

Continuing on, if those pocket zones don't cover a residents travels within the zone then that means the new zones are catered to Torontoians frequent/rare travels to those zones. The problem with this is the lack of coverage connecting those zones. They atleast connected Toronto to Peterborough which is a start but connecting to K-W and Barrie with Toronto should be coming soon slowly I'd assume.

I agree that building a network from scratch is a lot of work and Wind is definitely quick building, it's just that some of their decisions are questionable.

**rockjock** · 04-30-2012, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by mobileservice

It the case of expansion it has nothing to do with Windsor being cheaper (most likely is cheaper to build out in cheaper in terms of leasing agreements). Each area is divided out into regions by carriers and has its own team and third party contractors to get the job done.

Not sure if it is done yet but I believe WIND finally set up a cell site in Mississauga around Lakeshore and Lonepark. This area was a dead zone since launch. It was a significant gap in there proposed coverage map (one must assume everything corporations portray are theoretical environments). I can tell you people working at the Wind office in Mississauga (used to be there call center) are thrilled along with the network team for finally getting a cell site there.

In this case it had nothing to do with cost. There are also adequate number of buildings to put up a cell site. In the case of the above mentioned cell site they were unable to have this done earlier since the neighborhood is an affluent and well off (rich snobs) area which were opposed to additional cell sites. Second to that existing buildings where primarily occupied Rogers, Bell, and Telus in exclusive leasing agreements.

From what I have been told the site in that area is actually a cell site on top of a lamp post in a plaza which is just under 30m. This is similar to a cell site (don't know who it belongs to) at Mavis and Bristol where Price Chopper used to be.

It would be great if WIND allocated additional resources to existing coverage improvements but to attract additional funding they need to expand into other cities and accelerate growth as they are no where near reaching their target of 1 million subscribers by the end of this year.

This leads me to the second part of my rant. I see WIND and Mobilicity entering into a form of partnership/joint venture where by entity they would be one (helping WIND get to 1 million subscribers) but each management team would still be responsible for brand. They would take the Rogers/Fido approach to the market.

A tower atop a lamp post? ( Thats awesome! With all the big talk of tony they splurge and get a lamp post!LOL ) Attract additional funding? They get all the funding from Orascom/Vimpelcom surely they know their business and only want to see substantial sub growth? And IF they get said growth they would further invest? A merger? I dunno my friend. Fido/Rogers were joined at the hip and even thought it appeared they were running their own shows it was clear that Rogers was the captain. Vimpelcom is in no position to take on the added debt and I hardly think Mobli wants to be dictated to by Orascom/Vimpelcom.

Antenna on a lamp post!! That's GOLD!! Now that Telenor is the majority share holder in Vimpelcom I think the future is a tad shaky. They opposed the Orascom sale to Vimpelcom sale and even took it to arbitration. Lets hope these " bad " feeling do not resurface.

For all the jabs I make at Wind, the network issues, lack of customer service support, handsets, warranty, expansion value for goods delivered they have shown me! Antenna atop a light standard! Brilliant!

I have to admit as hard as I try to see the bright side of Wind I get the feeling that that Vimpelcom is just hoping that someone else with even more expertise will swoop in and save the day.

**Tendenzi** · 04-30-2012, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by OCZ

yup! thats my point .... again I am not attacking WIND (I'm currently a satisfied WIND customer) but I feel like I am in a box or something because of the spotty coverage and small coverage east of Toronto around Durham Region

I'm there with you on your sentiments exactly, and possibly location. (Durham Region).

**Tendenzi** · 04-30-2012, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by icemasta

I agree that building a network from scratch is a lot of work and Wind is definitely quick building, it's just that some of their decisions are questionable.

I've tried to get some answers, but sometimes the forum here makes more sense than what I get from the people within WIND. i.e. people here speculate they're expanding to use up spectrum they acquired before they lose it (a hypothesis floated here I have yet to hear being explained from anyone within WIND)

**403808** · 04-30-2012, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by rockjock

I hardly think Mobli wants to be dictated to by Orascom/Vimpelcom

I don't think Mobi shareholders really care who is "dictating" to them. In the big picture all they care about is maximizing their investment and becoming profitable. If the Mexican cartel was to offer an idea or two on how they might get some of their money back and become profitable, I'm sure Mobi would listen. Having said that, if they feel they have a roadmap to greater value or profitability by staying the course, they'll do that.

PS: you can interchange the words "Mobi" and "WIND" in the above statement.

**rockjock** · 04-30-2012, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by tendenzi

I've tried to get some answers, but sometimes the forum here makes more sense than what I get from the people within WIND. i.e. people here speculate they're expanding to use up spectrum they acquired before they lose it (a hypothesis floated here I have yet to hear being explained from anyone within WIND)

T all you need do to get it straight from wind is go to the wind forums! All the know it alls are there! They can enlighten you on all of winds plans and even what tony had packed in his lunch box!

**rockjock** · 04-30-2012, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by 403808

I don't think Mobi shareholders really care who is "dictating" to them. In the big picture all they care about is maximizing their investment and becoming profitable. If the Mexican cartel was to offer an idea or two on how they might get some of their money back and become profitable, I'm sure Mobi would listen. Having said that, if they feel they have a roadmap to greater value or profitability by staying the course, they'll do that.

PS: you can interchange the words "Mobi" and "WIND" in the above statement.

I do agree with you BUT when will they get the investment back? Double the debt and you double or more the time it will take to get your investment back. As an investor do I want in on a company that has internal issues? That sells at the drop of a hat? I dunno my friend.. On the surface it looks good.. but when you look into it not so good.

I think of this as a boxing match, 12 rounds and so far Wind is holding its own but the champ has yet to throw a punch. Wind is hitting the champ with all it has got and is getting gassed. The champ has yet to throw a punch or break a sweat. The investors you speak of... Tony has talked to them and they wanted nothing to do with his plan. So what makes you think they want in on this 1.5 billion dollar white elephant when they passed on the 500 million dollar one?

Light pole!!! OMG

**OCZ** · 04-30-2012, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by tendenzi

I'm there with you on your sentiments exactly, and possibly location. (Durham Region).

speaking of Durham Region .... no HWY 7 reception ... no signal past Harmony and Taunton Rd intersection ... only at Tim Hortons / Wendys restaurant and everything else in that plaza is an Away zone! so no calls at Walmart/Home Depot/Superstore

no signal at Durham/UOIT nor there is any by Taunton and Simcoe!

at least put a tower by the university/college!!! even though that area is already a so-called "Home Zone"

**Scotch-guy** · 04-30-2012, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by rockjock

A tower atop a lamp post? ( Thats awesome! With all the big talk of tony they splurge and get a lamp post!LOL ) Antenna atop a light standard! Brilliant!

What does it matter the type of structure used for cellular equipment? Both Wind and Mobi use this type of installation. It is BY FAR one of the least objectionable in terms of aesthetics.

**reveries3** · 04-30-2012, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by Scotch-guy

What does it matter the type of structure used for cellular equipment? Both Wind and Mobi use this type of installation. It is BY FAR one of the least objectionable in terms of aesthetics.

All other aspects of this conversation aside, I totally agree. I don't care what the antenna looks like (if it works).

This also reminds me of that story about Bell building towers that look like trees...

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**rockjock** · 04-30-2012, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by Scotch-guy

What does it matter the type of structure used for cellular equipment? Both Wind and Mobi use this type of installation. It is BY FAR one of the least objectionable in terms of aesthetics.

I expect this type of installation from a mickey mouse outfit. Not a world class leader with over 200 million subscribers. Wind has been touting the virtues of roof top units and now they do this? Whats next blokes on bikes with portable transmitters?

**rockjock** · 04-30-2012, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by reveries3

All other aspects of this conversation aside, I totally agree. I don't care what the antenna looks like (if it works).

This also reminds me of that story about Bell building towers that look like trees...

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I was not saying the look was silly.. just the concept. Do not forget the tower that looks like a cross! There are some antenna here in Germany that are recessed into the building and covered with glass most pleasing! Does it look like a cb antenna cable tied to a pole?