Verizon has every right (and a responsibility to their customers) to ensure people aren't connecting devices that may cause a problem for the network.
If you have a device from another carrier, it should be a quick process but nobody has ever actually done it. They sure like to complain about how hard it is though....
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There are actually 15 PDA/Smartphones certified. Since it seems nobody has even bothered to register for a free account as an individual to get the actual documentation, of course it's aimed at device manufacturers.
what is this new feature, and how can I manipulate it in order to make myself seem superior to those around me?
I agree with what you are saying, but unfortunately the Verizon network has never been a true "open network" and not likely to be so anytime soon.
If I'm annoyed and you're annoyed, does that make us a paranoid ??
Sarcasm is a fine art...
"Don't believe everything you think"
It's not a matter of if you win or lose, it's how you assign the blame
Ok, let me see if I can remember all the posts to respond to, since I don't know how to multiple-quote.
First and most importantly, johnhere, what do you do about the black and green stuff? Mine is more yellow, like an old waterlogged book.
Sam, a couple of questions for you. You will have to spoon feed this moron so you'd better be good at it. And moderator, I am not insulted but will be if I'm not spoon fed. Verizon and ANY other business, including yourself (isn't that amazing?) can operate itself ANYWAY as it sees fit; as long as it follows a FEW basics. Obvious stuff such as illegalities; inequities are a little more subtle. In general, inequity is illegal (perhaps not by statute but by case law). So state how their practice is inequitable. Are you financially harmed? Verizon is free to abuse their customers with insufferable terms and run their business into the ground. If everytime you walk into a store, you are greeted with "**** off", can you ask for redress or government intervention? Can everyone leave? I know I can. I don't like the present market because it is opaque. If I'm the buyer and Samsung is the manufacturer then I should buy from Samsung or Verizon should be a dealer like any other dealer. And an open market would be better. But there are plenty of dealers; GSM as you said, Apple, Google, ebay, Amazon, Walmart, etc. I nearly bought some E815's from phonestore.com a few years ago. Wish I had. If CDMA practices were perceptibly harmful to their business, they would drop them. Else someone would have to show that a COMPELLING PUBLIC interest required change.
I would like confirmation of your statement that any iphone 4s is capable of running on any network.
South Korea's practices may be unique to them or they may migrate. I don't know of them.
To the poster who said the government owns the airwaves, we have a problem. We have a democratic republic, not a kingdom, not a dictatorship of the proletariat, not whatever Ghaddafi called his schtick or Saddam or Syria. No green book or red book. Our government owns nothing in its own right but is invested in managing property which belongs to the public (you and me). This is not the papacy.
To the poster who spoke of a Prius, how are they?
All I can remember, now I have to go back and look.
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I've never made a claim whether or not the practice is legal or not. But it's pretty obvious that the carriers, esp cdma carriers, are operating that way. But I do not like the current system for many reasons. I do feel that customers are harmed by the current system in that carriers set the prices of the phones by locking and subsidizing the phones. Sure I can go to multiple sources to buy my phone, either on or off contract, but the price appears to be pretty well set by the deals that the carrier has in place with the manufacturers. I also find that how the carriers cram their phones full of software which I am not allowed to remove does cause harm, although I don't know how to quantify a dollar amount. If I own the phone, why should I be forced to have any of the crapware on my phone which I cannot remove, such as: google play books, cityid, all sorts of verizon crap, tunewiki, blockbuster, even crapware from the manufacturer? All of those apps take up room on my phone, they infringe upon my ability to install apps I want, not to mention the unknown security risks that are posed by the software. Or more simply put, it's my phone and they're forcing me to keep crapware on it, that I don't want. If we had a more open market for cell phones, it's possible we'd actually be able to purchase phones configured the way we want, not the way the carrier has decided to shove it down your throat. I mean, it's obvious that cityid must pay Verizon to put their crap app on my phone with probably some sort of commission if I decide to subscribe to their "service." All in all, I just want to see a more open market, where I can buy a phone and use it on the carrier of my choice, assuming network compatibility and not be locked out of removing crapware from my phone. The South Korean decision seems to move their market place in that direction and maybe that's a direction we need to move in here.
This is just one more reason that carriers need to be divorced from selling cell phones or at least from subsidizing them. Here we go again with investors and analysts wanting to up plan rates and force even longer contracts on the customer. The purchase of cell phones needs to be opened up to true competition. It might also stop as###s like CEO Stephonson of ATTM from lying about whose fault it is that android phones are not upgraded as newer version become available.Wireless carriers have traditionally made money off lengthy two-year service agreements, rather than physical device sales. In the age of smartphones, however, carriers are footing the bill for expensive handsets that result in smaller margins, while phone makers such as Apple reap the benefits. To combat traditional phone subsidies, carriers in the U.S. have continued to raise monthly rates and employ new and higher fees. In Europe, service providers are taking more aggressive measures, with some carriers refusing to subsidize devices for new customers. The carriers’ latest cries of resistance are drawing applause from investors and analysts alike, who say carriers could benefit more from the smartphone boom if they raise contract prices and slow the rate at which customers buy new phones.
“Optimism has increased that we are witnessing the leading edge of a more disciplined, and more profitable, future,” Craig Moffett, a telecom analyst at Bernstein Research, wrote in a research note obtained by The Wall Street Journal. The analyst went on to question the difficulty carriers face when increasing prices due to “increased discipline and pricing power.”
Spain’s two largest wireless service providers, Telefonica and Vodaphone, no longer offer phone subsidies to new customers. The carriers are eventually hoping to retain customers, however, and then continue to offer phone discounts to existing subscribers who are looking upgraded their devices. Telefonica allows users to either pay nearly $800 for new smartphone, or sign up for an installment plan that adds 18 monthly payments of about $45 to their bills. The change in policy has resulted in 25% reduced spending on device subsidies.
Verizon Wireless chief executive officer Lowell McAdam previously mentioned Telefonica’s installment-plan and said the nation’s largest carrier may follow. “We’ll probably offer some things like that, and then we’ll see what the adoption is like,” the executive said. “You can’t push this on customers before customers are ready for it”
Wall Street has taken notice of the carrier’s concerns, and shares of Apple recently plummeted on concerns that carriers may soon squeeze iPhone subsidies. During the company’s earnings call, Apple CEO Tim Cook downplayed carrier subsidy concerns and told analysts that carriers will continue supporting the iPhone because carriers “want to provide what their customers want to buy.”