"America's Largest 4G Network"

[Pabster]

Let me settle it; neither carrier offers true 4G, and neither does Verizon. 4G as defined by ITU calls for 100 megabits in motion and 1000 megabits stationary. None of them, not even Verizon, meet this spec--not even close. So you are having a fool's debate here.

[Wireless Junkie]

Let me settle it; neither carrier offers true 4G, and neither does Verizon. 4G as defined by ITU calls for 100 megabits in motion and 1000 megabits stationary. None of them, not even Verizon, meet this spec--not even close. So you are having a fool's debate here.

The ITU revised the definition since there is no such technology available for deployment that would offer anywhere near 1000mbit/s. So *enhanced* 3G networks and LTE and WiMax are now 4G. T-Mobile started it, AT&T finished it after a massive HSPA+ rollout.

[Pabster]

The ITU revised the definition since there is no such technology available for deployment that would offer anywhere near 1000mbit/s. So *enhanced* 3G networks and LTE and WiMax are now 4G. T-Mobile started it, AT&T finished it after a massive HSPA+ rollout.

Forgot to mention "original" definition. I was aware they had been pressured to revise and had done so.

[MasonDoctorJT]

There's already a thread on this:

http://www.howardforums.com/showthre...est-4g-network

ATT claims they have 'enhanced backhaul' in reference to the above post. It's clear that T-Mobile no longer has the largest 4G network and should stop advertising as such.

AT&T had never lied, have they (Nations fewest dropped calls anyone). I'm sure t-mobile will stop when the have too. Until then, what does it matter to you guys?

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[johnhere]

I still think tmo is looking for another exit strategy.

[GSMinCT]

Most of at&t's "4G" hspa+ areas are 14.4Mb or rarely 21Mb. NOT the same as 42Mb HSPA+. I've seen At&t LTE speedtests, with like nobody on their network.

Not impressed, get faster a lot more.

Does it really matter, by T-Mobile's standards, HSPA 14.4 phone's like the G2 and Mytouch are supposed *4G*. So bam!

^^^ What I was going to say.

Tired of hearing the same old stupid quote. "tmo losimg customers because of iphone". Really, which cave were these customers hiding in for the last 4years - since the Iphone has been around. And what made them come out of their caves now. My money is on the limited coverage, if you are lucky to be in their 4G area, then good,otherwisr stuck in edge, and that is really slow. Iphone is a factor, but i suspect a minor one. Dont forget the distraction ATT merger.

Yeah, I think that's true. Over the past couple of years, EDGE has become slower and slower relative to the data-hungry apps out there. It's OK for traveling through when it works properly, but it usually doesn't, and ends up getting really annoying. T-Mobile also has a lot of GPRS out there, which is inexcusable, considering EDGE is a simple upgrade from GPRS.

Nobody with T-Mobile really wants to realize the fact that T-Mobile is blatantly lying... They started the whole HSPA+ is 4G BS, and thats all they have had to go on. They don't have superior anything to any carrier, especially 3G coverage. And instead of investing money into the networks they dumped it into stupid ridiculous looking hooters girls, and fake 4G ads.

Now they are trying to lowball AT&T and Verizon by wrongly comparing a HSPA+ 42 phone to a 14.4 and 3.1 handset respectively because they know they would look so pathetic against one of AT&T's or Verizon's LTE phone', especially outside of their laughably small 4G network.

I am not pro AT&T or anything, but really going by what T-Mobile pretends 4G is, THEY LOSE.

Instead of focusing on wasting money on ad's and bs, they should invest and actually have something to show as far as network advancements.

Exactly. I think DT's been sucking money out of T-Mo for a while now, and not investing it in the network here. T-Mo is profitable now, but they are losing customers, and they have the worst coverage (although Sprint has to take the cake for worst network if you count the EVDO-iPhone mess, their speeds have tanked). T-Mobile is also in a conundrum, as they are the only tier 1/2 carrier without beachfront spectrum. The SMR spectrum is opening the door for Sprint to (if they wanted to and had the capital backing) build a network to rival Verizon's, but T-Mo has all AWS/PCS. At least AT&T more than 2x the customers and only some areas they have to cover in PCS.

T-Mobile should compare AT&T's best 4G phone to theirs and Verizon's LTE, if they really had anything behind their ad's, then they wouldn't be so scared to.

Yup, it would be fine if they compared their network on the SGS II to a Verizon DROID RAZR MAXX, but using an EVDO phone is just lying. Of course, if they compared to a DROID RAZR MAXX, they would have worse speeds AND battery life!!

Then they need to say they have the largest 21Mb 4g network. Cause that would be true.

If they specified the backhaul, as AT&T could flip the switch tomorrow on a software upgrade to HSPA+ 21 on their entire 3G network (I think they already have in many places without EB). Even, then, with the way AT&T is deploying EB, I'm not sure they'd have it. They might, but a push by AT&T for new backhaul could pass them in a couple of months. AT&T already has the sites and air interfaces up, T-Mobile doesn't.

AT&T has QAM64 deployed across their mobile broadband entire network, please be my guest to factually dispute that. Besides that, where does T-Mobile ever say anything about the speed's of their network. They truly do have the largest GPRS network, probably in the world.

LOL. Now there's something to advertise.

Yeah, deploying HSPA+ 21 in feb when t-mobile already is at 42. In many areas a year ago.

The 42 that T-Mo is using does diddly squat for network capacity, it just bonds two channels together. The MIMO version, which is not currently deployed in the US, doubles network capacity (theoretically).

Me personally I think there claim to be largest 4G network is true because their using a network with higher theoretical speed then AT&T LTE in some areas and the network backs it's advertisement by delivering a more reliable data experience than Verizon and the speeds are becoming extremely similar every day and what percent of verizons users actually use LTE again?

Wong. T-Mobile is the one who defined 14.4 as "4G". AT&T's 14.4 network is many times larger than T-Mobile's. T-Mobile has the least consistent experience, dropping to GPRS quickly, where AT&T stays 3G for a while, and then EDGE, and Verizon takes the cake with EVDO to fall back on, and by next summer, over 100% of their network will be covered in LTE.

Actually that wouldn't work because tmobile has edge in my area and AT&T only has GPRS according to my friends iPhone which he has 3G turned off because of it eating threw data for no reason.

AT&T is 100% EDGE. Your friend must be OFF-NETWORK. Have him/her put the 4EON tag on their account, I can guarantee the phone's either going flaky, or it will show OFF-NETWORK.

I still think tmo is looking for another exit strategy.

Yeah, but what? Even if another non cell phone company like Wal-Mart bought them, they would still have to deal with the mess of a network that they have. Google can't buy them at this point, because I doubt the US DOJ would allow vertical integration as far as MotoroogleMo.

[johnhere]

Even without the iPhone, with limited dt support, I am surprised tmo hasnt rebounded better and become more driven at turning things around.
The one ad isn't enough and I don't know anyone who would sign a contract when bringing their own phone.

[newyork4me]

Me personally I think there claim to be largest 4G network is true because their using a network with higher theoretical speed then AT&T LTE in some areas and the network backs it's advertisement by delivering a more reliable data experience than Verizon and the speeds are becoming extremely similar every day and what percent of verizons users actually use LTE again?

Verizon has virtually the same number of data users on LTE as T-Mobile does in total (roughly 10 million for each). It's a very even comparison right now, and VZW is faster almost all of the time.

Also, VZW hasn't even fully deployed LTE. In my market, there are areas where only 1 in 4 towers are lit up with LTE. And they are still faster than T-Mobile. Think how it is going to be when they finish deployment and add their AWS spectrum.

[jarrodpd]

Verizon has virtually the same number of data users on LTE as T-Mobile does in total (roughly 10 million for each). It's a very even comparison right now, and VZW is faster almost all of the time.

Also, VZW hasn't even fully deployed LTE. In my market, there are areas where only 1 in 4 towers are lit up with LTE. And they are still faster than T-Mobile. Think how it is going to be when they finish deployment and add their AWS spectrum.

Are you only counting "4G" devices or all the devices that actually use that part of the network because 10million sounds low to me seeing how I always hear most of the people that use tmobile live in the city and that smartphones are almost the majority sold. Also Verizon isn't going to et any faster until they deploy let advanced just because they only have 4 towers lit up doesn't mean once they have 8 or 12 that it's going to make it any faster just more people will have access and then what happened to my market will set in which is that the average was 20mbps and is dropping towards 10 and even points where it only has 5mbps.

[jarrodpd]

That's why AT&T deployed LTE in Los Angeles

So they could still say they have a fast network even though not many people actually use it?

[jarrodpd]

Only in the immediate metro area. Not in the big suburban areas, they still perform mediocre at best. They have a long way to go

That's how a lot of their network is, in my part of Houston we have spotty EB areas a few miles north an they are a heavily populated area and then you go further then they have EB it makes no sense at all and they don't have as many people

[jarrodpd]

The ITU revised the definition since there is no such technology available for deployment that would offer anywhere near 1000mbit/s. So *enhanced* 3G networks and LTE and WiMax are now 4G. T-Mobile started it, AT&T finished it after a massive HSPA+ rollout.

Actually sprint started it. Just making that statement clear.

[Antenna]

The ITU revised the definition since there is no such technology available for deployment that would offer anywhere near 1000mbit/s. So *enhanced* 3G networks and LTE and WiMax are now 4G. T-Mobile started it, AT&T finished it after a massive HSPA+ rollout.

We keep quoting AT&T that it has HSPA+, but in many markets, it doesn't perform as it should.

Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York, for example, they claim HSPA+, but the network is so bogged down the end user only gets 3M/sec max on AT&T. T-Mobile, meanwhile, can download 15-25m/sec on their HSPA+ network, in the same location.

T-Mobile should just change it to "America's largest 4G network, that actually works" and then they would be correct.

[danska]

I have to agree. I was in NYC a few days ago clocking 10 to 15Mb down 3Mb up during rush hour in times square.

[Wireless Junkie]

Actually sprint started it. Just making that statement clear.

WiMax is an actual new OFDM technology built IP based from the ground up, HSPA+ isn't.