"America's Largest 4G Network"

**GSMinCT** · 05-02-2012, 11:34 AM

Anyone else intrigued that T-Mobile is so blatantly lying in their advertisements? And how have they not been sued/ fined yet? I'm not talking the whole "what is 4G?" debate, just that AT&T factually has a far larger HSPA+ network than T-Mobile, and Verizon's LTE is either larger than T-Mobile's HSPA+, or just about to cross the line.

I also found it interesting that they have videos on their web site showing an SGS II going against an AT&T iPhone, Sprint iPhone, and Verizon iPhone, which is obviously a flatly false comparison, as comparing an SGS II Skyrocket, SGS II, and HTC Rezound or DROID RAZR would be proper comparisons. Not to mention that to be fair for a large part of the country, they would also have to show T-Mobile using GPRS or EDGE while the AT&T iPhone is pulling 5mbps on HSPA+. That would look just great.

**Kies** · 05-02-2012, 11:38 AM

Are you serious?

TROLLLLLLLLIN

**Antenna** · 05-02-2012, 11:44 AM

No carrier has told more lies than AT&T, go back to that thread and examine their lies.

My favorite: "iphone 3GS tether will be out by the end of summer 2009".....nevermind that came nearly a year later in June 2010! LOL, pathetic

**GSMinCT** · 05-02-2012, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Kies

Are you serious?

TROLLLLLLLLIN

Yeah, I'm dead serious. I really want to know how they haven't been fined or sued for blatantly false statements. AT&T and Verizon are both right, AT&T claims "Nation's largest 4G Network", and Verizon claims "Nation's largest 4G LTE Network". Both are correct by their own definitions. T-Mobile is flat out lying by it's own definition. (The same as AT&T's).

**GSMinCT** · 05-02-2012, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by Antenna

No carrier has told more lies than AT&T, go back to that thread and examine their lies.

My favorite: "iphone 3GS tether will be out by the end of summer 2009".....nevermind that came nearly a year later in June 2010! LOL, pathetic

We're not talking about speculative statements that are subject to change, we're talking about actual reality.

Also, the people on AT&T who know what they are doing have had tethering all along.

I have it now and I don't pay for it. MyWi FTW!

**Antenna** · 05-02-2012, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by GSMinCT

We're not talking about speculative statements that are subject to change, we're talking about actual reality.

Also, the people on AT&T who know what they are doing have had tethering all along.

I have it now and I don't pay for it. MyWi FTW!

Yep it was those same people who got HSPA+ "4g" to work on the AT&T Motorola Atrix and HTC Inspire, when AT&T was blatantly lying about 4G, even though the speeds where capped off at <3M/sec

Seems hacking for lackluster AT&T performance is a norm

**johnhere** · 05-02-2012, 01:15 PM

All I can say is my buddy's tmobile phone always had better speeds than my iPhone 4 on AT&T. Much faster speeds so tmo ain't that bad. I wouldn't say they have the largest 4g but the places they cover they cover them well and efficiently.

**danska** · 05-02-2012, 01:32 PM

At&t 14 Mb HSPA+ (or if your lucky, 21 Mb HSPA+) 4g vs. T-Mobile 21 Mb and 42 Mb HSPA+? Yeah, ***** about T-Mobile. T-Mobile even beats at& LTE in markets like Chicago in download speeds.

Totally trolling.

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**MasonDoctorJT** · 05-02-2012, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by GSMinCT

Yeah, I'm dead serious. I really want to know how they haven't been fined or sued for blatantly false statements. AT&T and Verizon are both right, AT&T claims "Nation's largest 4G Network", and Verizon claims "Nation's largest 4G LTE Network". Both are correct by their own definitions. T-Mobile is flat out lying by it's own definition. (The same as AT&T's).

They haven't been, which means, they are telling the truth. At&t's hspa+ with no backhaul doesn't count, neither does their LTE with no backhaul. Go sell crazy someplace else.

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**corrupt81** · 05-02-2012, 05:59 PM

There's already a thread on this:

http://www.howardforums.com/showthre...est-4g-network

ATT claims they have 'enhanced backhaul' in reference to the above post. It's clear that T-Mobile no longer has the largest 4G network and should stop advertising as such.

**danska** · 05-02-2012, 06:32 PM

'enhanced backhaul' with at&t still is slower than most of t-mobile's HSPA+. And t-mobile's HSPA+ is technically faster than at&t's LTE in markets where at&t is spectrum limited. How many 21 Mb or even 42Mb HSPA+ phones do they sell? Rare.

**GSMinCT** · 05-02-2012, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by Antenna

Yep it was those same people who got HSPA+ "4g" to work on the AT&T Motorola Atrix and HTC Inspire, when AT&T was blatantly lying about 4G, even though the speeds where capped off at <3M/sec

Seems hacking for lackluster AT&T performance is a norm

AT&T tests at 6-10 in many spots on their HSPA+ network. The whole controversy was over HSUPA, for upload, not download.

Originally Posted by johnhere

I wouldn't say they have the largest 4g but the places they cover they cover them well and efficiently.

That's exactly the issue. They're advertising having the largest, when they don't. They're not advertising "great coverage in NYC" or "best 3G service in NYC" or something, which would actually be true.

Originally Posted by danska

At&t 14 Mb HSPA+ (or if your lucky, 21 Mb HSPA+) 4g vs. T-Mobile 21 Mb and 42 Mb HSPA+? Yeah, ***** about T-Mobile. T-Mobile even beats at& LTE in markets like Chicago in download speeds.

Totally trolling.

Even DC-HSPA+ can't beat LTE on a regular basis. LTE, even on a 5x5, is testing over 20mbps regularly. You can always find somewhere with a fluke test.

The point is that T-Mobile doesn't have the largest 4G network. AT&T or Verizon does, depending on how you define 4G. I'd say Verizon does, although by T-Mobile's own definition, AT&T does. Within the next year, it will be undisputed, and Verizon will have the biggest 4G network of any kind.

Originally Posted by MasonDoctorJT

They haven't been, which means, they are telling the truth. At&t's hspa+ with no backhaul doesn't count, neither does their LTE with no backhaul. Go sell crazy someplace else.

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AT&T's area deployed with EB is far larger than T-Mobile's entire UMTS network. AT&T's UMTS network, including areas without EB, is probably larger than T-Mobile's entire network. I know it is larger than Sprint's network.

AT&T is deploying LTE with EB. AT&T's LTE is just as fast, if not faster than Verizon, except for the fact that it doesn't cover much right now.

Originally Posted by corrupt81

There's already a thread on this:

http://www.howardforums.com/showthre...est-4g-network

Didn't even notice that one, and I posted at least twice in it. What I find interesting is this brand new ad campaign with the motorcycle and the T-Mobile girl going badass with the leather motorcycle gear, when the advertising claim is patently false. I really hope AT&T or Verizon has their lawyers send them a cease and desist letter.

Originally Posted by corrupt81

ATT claims they have 'enhanced backhaul' in reference to the above post. It's clear that T-Mobile no longer has the largest 4G network and should stop advertising as such.

Exactly. Or build a bigger network.

**jarrodpd** · 05-02-2012, 06:51 PM

The main question though is should At&Ts HSPA+ network be considered 4G? I have done speed test on iPhones at the local At&T store and also the apple store and only saw numbers a little over 3mbps, when I was in a standard 3G 7.2mbps area this past weekend I was able to almost hit 6mbps. I did test on those iPhones in areas with EB which most of Houston is covered with only select few areas not being covered even though their is high population there.

**jet1000** · 05-02-2012, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by GSMinCT

Anyone else intrigued that T-Mobile is so blatantly lying in their advertisements? And how have they not been sued/ fined yet?

They're going to have to change their advertisements really soon. It's clear that AT&T and Verizon are beating them in the 4G area. I'm sure if someone brings a lawsuit, you will see them cave.

Their customers know the difference. T-Mobile customers are jumping ship like crazy.

**GSMinCT** · 05-02-2012, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by jarrodpd

The main question though is should At&Ts HSPA+ network be considered 4G? I have done speed test on iPhones at the local At&T store and also the apple store and only saw numbers a little over 3mbps, when I was in a standard 3G 7.2mbps area this past weekend I was able to almost hit 6mbps. I did test on those iPhones in areas with EB which most of Houston is covered with only select few areas not being covered even though their is high population there.

Well, if it's not, T-Mobile doesn't have 4G at all. For the sake of T-Mobile's advertising, and AT&T's, I'm entertaining the notion that HSPA+ is 4G, although personally I don't consider it to be. I considering my iPhone to have "enhanced 3G".

Originally Posted by jet1000

They're going to have to change their advertisements really soon. It's clear that AT&T and Verizon are beating them in the 4G area. I'm sure if someone brings a lawsuit, you will see them cave.

Their customers know the difference. T-Mobile customers are jumping ship like crazy.

True that. Although I think what they know is the lack of coverage, not the exact speed.