"America's Largest 4G Network"

[Wireless Junkie]

We keep quoting AT&T that it has HSPA+, but in many markets, it doesn't perform as it should.

Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York, for example, they claim HSPA+, but the network is so bogged down the end user only gets 3M/sec max on AT&T. T-Mobile, meanwhile, can download 15-25m/sec on their HSPA+ network, in the same location.

T-Mobile should just change it to "America's largest 4G network, that actually works" and then they would be correct.

Well they would still be lying because Verizon's LTE network is still bigger than T-Mobile's 3G network all together and by next year it will be bigger than T-Mobile's network entirely. Not sure what their marketing ploy will be then...

As far as 4G testing is concerned, AT&T and Verizon still outrank T-Mobile. I'm just saying, if T-Mobile's network was so much better and superior to *competitors* networks, they wouldn't continuously be bleeding customers left and right and would be posting gains like Verizon and AT&T and more recently Sprint and would have more than 33ish million customers.

[Wireless Junkie]

So they could still say they have a fast network even though not many people actually use it?

That's up to the people with handsets, the majority of T-Mobile's user's don't even have 3G capable or are still on EDGE and GPRS which makes up the vast majority of their network.

[Wireless Junkie]

Are you only counting "4G" devices or all the devices that actually use that part of the network because 10million sounds low to me seeing how I always hear most of the people that use tmobile live in the city and that smartphones are almost the majority sold. Also Verizon isn't going to et any faster until they deploy let advanced just because they only have 4 towers lit up doesn't mean once they have 8 or 12 that it's going to make it any faster just more people will have access and then what happened to my market will set in which is that the average was 20mbps and is dropping towards 10 and even points where it only has 5mbps.

Verizon's network will get faster when they fill out their sites in existing LTE area's and ramp up backhaul, and add more spectrum to the network.

[Wireless Junkie]

If we are going by largest network, AT&T's 3G network alone is bigger than T-Mobile's entire network now



vs. AT&T with Red being HSPA/HSPA+ and blue EDGE

[jarrodpd]

WiMax is an actual new OFDM technology built IP based from the ground up, HSPA+ isn't.

No the point I was making about your comment is that sprint started calling their network 4G first and tmobile followed suit. Also tmobiles network is IP also if I'm not mistaken, also the have IPv6 deployed all across their Hspa network

[Wireless Junkie]

No the point I was making about your comment is that sprint started calling their network 4G first and tmobile followed suit. Also tmobiles network is IP also if I'm not mistaken, also the have IPv6 deployed all across their Hspa network

T-Mobile is the one who started calling a 3G technology 4G because they couldn't afford to deploy the real stuff. The AT&T follow suit, the only true next ten techs should be WiMax and LTE because they are built from the ground up to be IP only data networks. T-Mobile's network still uses circuit switched voice. VoLTE won't.

[MarkyD]

T-Mobile is the one who started calling a 3G technology 4G because they couldn't afford to deploy the real stuff. The AT&T follow suit, the only true next ten techs should be WiMax and LTE because they are built from the ground up to be IP only data networks. T-Mobile's network still uses circuit switched voice. VoLTE won't.

Sprint did it first with WhyMax. My experiences with tmo's HSPA+ network have been far superior to what I've seen on WiMAX.

[Antenna]

Well they would still be lying because Verizon's LTE network is still bigger than T-Mobile's 3G network all together and by next year it will be bigger than T-Mobile's network entirely. Not sure what their marketing ploy will be then...

As far as 4G testing is concerned, AT&T and Verizon still outrank T-Mobile. I'm just saying, if T-Mobile's network was so much better and superior to *competitors* networks, they wouldn't continuously be bleeding customers left and right and would be posting gains like Verizon and AT&T and more recently Sprint and would have more than 33ish million customers.

Again, and again...you bring up coverage, not quality. At&ts network is pretty much garbage in big cities, you keep ignoring that fact.

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[Wireless Junkie]

Again, and again...you bring up coverage, not quality. At&ts network is pretty much garbage in big cities, you keep ignoring that fact.

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It's garbage yet ranks higher than T-Mobile and both carriers are gaining significantly while T-Mobile is bleeding customers out the wazoo? Losing customers means something is wrong and is not a strong indicative of quality at all.

Garbage is going on a trip and having no 3G and GPRS most of the way. A good steady 1-5mbit/s while traveling outside a metro is much better than 40kbps.

[Wireless Junkie]

Sprint did it first with WhyMax. My experiences with tmo's HSPA+ network have been far superior to what I've seen on WiMAX.

WiMax also is a NEW technology, not some tech rebranded as 4G because they have nothing else to go on.

[Antenna]

It's garbage yet ranks higher than T-Mobile and both carriers are gaining significantly while T-Mobile is bleeding customers out the wazoo? Losing customers means something is wrong and is not a strong indicative of quality at all.

Garbage is going on a trip and having no 3G and GPRS most of the way. A good steady 1-5mbit/s while traveling outside a metro is much better than 40kbps.

That doesn't mean they're good, it means they have an iPhone.

At&t customers hated their network so much, they actually attempted to crash it.

While they are still gaining customers, its slowed, and eventually AT&T will bleed to Verizon, because it's network is still inferior, especially for it's high prices.

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[DRC72]

That doesn't mean they're good, it means they have an iPhone.

At&t customers hated their network so much, they actually attempted to crash it.

While they are still gaining customers, its slowed, and eventually AT&T will bleed to Verizon, because it's network is still inferior, especially for it's high prices.

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Come now antenna......... If AT&T was as bad as you claim them to be, you would think people would be leaving them in droves. Where's the high churn? Verizon has had the iphone for awhile now, and the claims that AT&T would lose big to them simply did not come true. Many people with expiring iPhone contracts have had a chance to leave. Yeah your right they do have issues with a few cities, but as always your fanboyism forces you to generalize the whole network as bad, and that is simply not true.. With AT&T, Verizon, and even Sprint going full steam with LTE, Tmobile will be left on the sidelines. You fanboys need to face the facts.

[johnhere]

I was hoping tmo would really ramp up the 4g, come out with many new ads, come out with killer plans, fix customer service etc but looks like they are still taking the slow road, which is sad to see.

[GSMinCT]

Wireless Junkie pretty much covered everything I would say...

AT&T has issues in a few cities... LA, NYC, and SF are examples. However, in many cities, like the whole Detroit area, Chicago, Boston, etc, they do just fine. My AT&T speeds were cruising when I was in the middle of a giant crowd on a nice day at Quincy Market... it just depends on the market. T-Mobile almost universally has poor coverage, with the exception of Florida for some weird reason...

[Antenna]

Wireless Junkie pretty much covered everything I would say...

AT&T has issues in a few cities... LA, NYC, and SF are examples. However, in many cities, like the whole Detroit area, Chicago, Boston, etc, they do just fine. My AT&T speeds were cruising when I was in the middle of a giant crowd on a nice day at Quincy Market... it just depends on the market. T-Mobile almost universally has poor coverage, with the exception of Florida for some weird reason...

Can't generalize.....T-Mobile is just fine in California , We are not Florida.

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