Who are the Job Creators?

[Xarlon]

At what tax rate do you think it is fair for the top 1% to be taxed at? The bottom half of the country already pays no income tax so we can't lower their tax rate but how high do you think the highest tax rate should be? In many place with the state taxes included the top tax bracket is close to 50% so is that enough or should we go higher?Sent from my SCH-I500 using HowardForums

I can always tell when I'm speaking with a Fox news disciple because they regurgitate the same statistics over and over. Do you know who those people are that don't pay any income taxes or is that of no concern for you either. Frank Sinatra paid about 91% tax in his day with some loopholes but I think that's a little steep even though they say he still was extremely rich after taxes. I'd say 70% would probably be a more acceptable rate for the top 1%.
Here's a quote from Bernie Sanders that I think sums up the whole argument "“I think the Republicans are right, class warfare is being waged in America. Unfortunately, it is corporate America & the billionaires who are waging class warfare against the Middle Class & working families – and sadly, the wrong side is winning.”

[every1nosme]

I can always tell when I'm speaking with a Fox news disciple because they regurgitate the same statistics over and over. Do you know who those people are that don't pay any income taxes or is that of no concern for you either. Frank Sinatra paid about 91% tax in his day with some loopholes but I think that's a little steep even though they say he still was extremely rich after taxes. I'd say 70% would probably be a more acceptable rate for the top 1%.
Here's a quote from Bernie Sanders that I think sums up the whole argument "“I think the Republicans are right, class warfare is being waged in America. Unfortunately, it is corporate America & the billionaires who are waging class warfare against the Middle Class & working families – and sadly, the wrong side is winning.”

Once again, not a fox news watcher. As a matter of fact I don't even have television service. And I am in the percentage not paying income tax. Last year my wife and I earned about $47k and with one child we paid no income tax. My neighbor and his wife earned more than I did but has two children and paid no income tax. So yes, I am aware of who payday no taxes. Not arguing that a certain percentage of people don't earn enough to pay an income tax, I simply don't think the tax rate is the problem. Fed spending as a percent of gdp is way too high for us to concievably pay for it and still maintain a capatilist society. Even if we taxed the top 1% at a 100% rate we still couldn't pay our bills. And fyi, just because fox news says something that doesn't make it wrong. I generally disagree with obamas stand on things but I'm not afraid to say when he does something right that he was right fir doing it.

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[Xarlon]

As a matter of fact I don't even have television service.

The chatter is all the same. Deficit and debt red herring talking points. Whether its conservative talk radio, Fox News or conservative print, its all a bit like conjoined twins because I feel like I'm talking to the same person each time. It's amazing how they can fool you guys into voting against your own interest but it is what it is.

[every1nosme]

The chatter is all the same. Deficit and debt red herring talking points. Whether its conservative talk radio, Fox News or conservative print, its all a bit like conjoined twins because I feel like I'm talking to the same person each time. It's amazing how they can fool you guys into voting against your own interest but it is what it is.

But your response doesn't address the argument at all. The only response you seem to have is "you heard that on fox news " . If the argument is so wrong then debate the points on the merit of that. If taxing the top 1% at 100% won't solve the problem then can you not admit that perhaps we are spending too much?

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[MEMBER_FDIC]

05/23/2012 Denver, Colorado/ BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:
Since I've been president, federal spending has risen at the lowest pace in nearly 60
years. This other side, I don`t know how they've been bamboozling folks
into thinking that they are the responsible, fiscally disciplined party.
They run up these wild debts, and then when we take over, we've got to
clean it up. And they point and say, "look how irresponsible they are."
Look at the facts! Look at the numbers.

[every1nosme]

05/23/2012 Denver, Colorado/ BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:
Since I've been president, federal spending has risen at the lowest pace in nearly 60
years. This other side, I don`t know how they've been bamboozling folks
into thinking that they are the responsible, fiscally disciplined party.
They run up these wild debts, and then when we take over, we've got to
clean it up. And they point and say, "look how irresponsible they are."
Look at the facts! Look at the numbers.

That is correct, so why hasn't he stopped the spending? You post this as if I ever said one side was more responsible. Both sides spend money that should not be spent. Both sides vote for and pass spending bills that allow our federal government to intrude further in our lives. As long as there are people that play this game of my side is better than yours when they are both wrong we will continue down the same path.


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[T'Pol]

this country was founded on equal opportunity.

It looks like some folk's opportunities are more equal than others according to that disparity chart.
Spending is at it's lowest in 60 years but you act as if the Administration is on a drunken-sailor spending spree. Your argument doesn't hold water and defies logic. You can have your opinions but you don't have a right to your own facts. All your efforts just seem like a ruse to make people think of the President as an "other" or "not one of us".
Here's a quote from REP. KEITH ELLISON (D), MINNESOTA on the Ed Show reflecting on Republican congressman MIKE COFFMAN (R), COLORADO) who was caught on tape telling his constituents that the President is not an American.
ELLISON: I think that they (Republicans) have a strategy to try to convince the
American people that the president is not one of us. One of us is said
with a wink and a nod. And it has to do with feelings of people`s latent
fears about immigrants, about people of color, people with income issues etc.

I think, basically, they`re in a very difficult position, because if
they were being forthright about their economic policy, what they would
have to say is that we believe that rich people don`t have enough money and
poor people have too much. They can`t say that.

So what do they have to do? They have to whip up people`s latent
fears and anxieties about the changing demographics of America and so they
say the president`s emblematic of that, connect him to those fears, and
then try to get votes that way, basically by dividing an alienating
America. It`s just Willie Horton, 2012.

[every1nosme]

It looks like some folk's opportunity are more equal than others according to that disparity chart.
Spending is at it's lowest in 60 years but you act as if the Administration is on a drunken-sailor spending spree. Your argument doesn't hold water and defies logic. You can have your opinions but you don't have a right to your own facts. All your efforts just seem like a ruse to make people think of the President as an "other" or "not one of us".
Here's a quote from REP. KEITH ELLISON (D), MINNESOTA on the Ed Show reflecting on Republican congressman MIKE COFFMAN (R), COLORADO) who was caught on tape telling his constituents that the President is not an American.
ELLISON: I think that they (Republicans) have a strategy to try to convince the
American people that the president is not one of us. One of us is said
with a wink and a nod. And it has to do with feelings of people`s latent
fears about immigrants, about people of color, people with income issues and class.

I think, basically, they`re in a very difficult position, because if
they were being forthright about their economic policy, what they would
have to say is that we believe that rich people don`t have enough money and
poor people have too much. They can`t say that.

So what do they have to do? They have to whip up people`s latent
fears and anxieties about the changing demographics of America and so they
say the president`s emblematic of that, connect him to those fears, and
then try to get votes that way, basically by dividing an alienating
America. It`s just Willie Horton, 2012.

#1 this country provides everyone an equal opportunity, sometimes things out of societies control such as your familiar standing may give you an edge but everyone has a equal chance given the same circumstances. #2. Good job trying to play the race card on me, just so happens that won't work since I also happen to be black. Wanna try another one? Spending is not at an all time low, it is at an all time high according to the chart posted previously, it is rising slower but nevertheless it is rising. Got anymore cop outs you want to throw at the points I made or just want to try to slander me as a racist some more?

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[T'Pol]

Good job trying to play the race card on me, just so happens that won't work since I also happen to be black. Wanna try another one? Spending is not at an all time low, it is at an all time high according to the chart posted previously

You don't have to be a racist to fall victim to the Republican's strategy. You've just bought into their lies and nothing on this earth will change your mind. I could recommend that you buy some new glasses or contacts and look at the charts again but I'm sure that that you would just go deeper into denial. You've told us that you're in the lower-middle income bracket and and a black man who supports Republicans. I think we've all heard everything we need to know. Be at peace in your ivory tower and I wish you only the best.

[every1nosme]

You don't have to be a racist to fall victim to the Republican's strategy. You've just bought into their lies and nothing on this earth will change your mind. I could recommend that you buy some new glasses or contacts and look at the charts again but I'm sure that that you would just go deeper into denial. You've told us that you're in the lower-middle income bracket and and a black man who supports Republicans. I think we've all heard everything we need to know. Be at peace in your ivory tower and I wish you only the best.

Please stop putting words in my mouth cud I said many times that I do not support republicans either. If you can't look at your own political party and admit that they have made mistakes then I clearly think it is you who is in denial. My entire argument is that the leadership of both parties has let us down and you are standing there telling me the democrats have never done any wrong and that if it wasn't for republicans this country would be perfect? Even the leaders of your party won't claim that one. I don't think its me who is buying the propoganda. I feel that the lack of critical thinking skills in this country will be our downfall...

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[T'Pol]

There is no perfect human being or party so that's another red herring. I am pro-life and pro-gun so I don't agree with everything my party preaches.Trying to be magnanimous and wave the bipartisanship flag seems to make people believe that you're a person who's genuinely concerned about the state of affairs in this country but I see it as a ploy to present an illusion of impartiality to take your opponent off-guard. Please be more specific about how you think Obama has less than critical thinking. Was he wrong to bail out the auto industry? Should he have taken Romney's advise and let them all go bankrupt placing thousands out of work? (Please don't repeat the Republican talking points that the unions made out like bandits, that is a lie put out by conservative media, they actually took pay and benefit cuts to keep the industry going.) You're repeating conservative talking points bullet by bullet so it's hard to see how you are not rooting for one or the other. Sorry, I just don't believe that you are impartial. Sure, mistakes are always made when humans are involved, but intentional deceit is prevalent by the source from which you receive your information. I assume it's either right-wing talk radio or something in print. Whatever the source, your persistent denial of facts that are placed right in front of you is telling. I wasn't specifically claiming that you're a racist, but rather pointing out the fact that the Republicans are painting Obama as the "other, not one of us". What do the Republicans mean by the phrase, "Let's take our country back!" Barbara Bachman used that phrase a lot along with a lot of her Republican colleagues. What do you think they mean by that? Take it back from a person who is not like us? Not one of us? I am white btw, which shouldn't make a difference but there it is.

[every1nosme]

There is no perfect human being or party so that's another red herring. I am pro-life and pro-gun so I don't agree with everything my party preaches.Trying to be magnanimous and wave the bipartisanship flag seems to make people believe that you're a person who's genuinely concerned about the state of affairs in this country but I see it as a ploy to present an illusion of impartiality to take your opponent off-guard. Please be more specific about how you think Obama has less than critical thinking. Was he wrong to bail out the auto industry? Should he have taken Romney's advise and let them all go bankrupt placing thousands out of work? (Please don't repeat the talking points that the unions made out like bandits, that is a lie put out by conservative media, they actually took pay and benefit cuts to keep the industry going.) You're repeating conservative talking points bullet by bullet so it's hard to see how you are not rooting for one or the other. Sorry, I just don't believe that you are impartial. Sure, mistakes are always made when humans are involved, but intentional deceit is prevalent by the source from which you receive your information. I assume it's either right-wing talk radio or something in print. Whatever the source, your persistent denial of facts that are placed right in front of you is telling. I wasn't specifically claiming that you're a racist, but rather pointing out the fact that the Republicans are painting Obama as the "other, not one of us". What do the Republicans mean by the phrase, "Let's take our country back!" Barbara Bachman used that phrase a lot along with a lot of her Republican colleagues. What do you think they mean by that? Take it back from a person who is not like us? Not one of us? I am white btw, which shouldn't make a difference but there it is.

Nope, don't think he should have bailed them out. Don't give the bs that people would have lost jobs cuz companies go bankrupt all the time with no stoppage of work at all. As long as consumers were buying cars they would have had to come from somewhere so someone would have been working. And the unions most certainly were helped by the bail out since the first thing that would have been changed by a bankruptcy would have been debt being discharged. I'm not suggesting that they didn't end up worse off the they were but they certainly were better then a bankruptcy would have left them. I'm also tired of the race card that continuously gets played. "Take the country back " was a slogan started in the sixties that originally implied taking back control of the country from over oppressive fed govt and for anyone to assume that someone has a racist intent without any sort of proof to back it up is the most irresponsible thing you can. Your previous post most certainly called me an uncle Tom which is about as offensive as things get so not really sure you should be commenting on the color of the kettle at this point. If I am taking my talking points from conservative radio then you must have q direct line to Nancy pelosi 's house. You have yet to concede on any point that what is going on in this country could possibly be anyones fault but those dirty republicans. If you can't see that both parties are at fault then you just have your eyes shut.

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[T'Pol]

Nope, don't think he should have bailed them out. Don't give the bs that people would have lost jobs cuz companies go bankrupt all the time with no stoppage of work at all. As long as consumers were buying cars they would have had to come from somewhere so someone would have been working. And the unions most certainly were helped by the bail out since the first thing that would have been changed by a bankruptcy would have been debt being discharged. I'm not suggesting that they didn't end up worse off the they were but they certainly were better then a bankruptcy would have left them. I'm also tired of the race card that continuously gets played. "Take the country back " was a slogan started in the sixties that originally implied taking back control of the country from over oppressive fed govt and for anyone to assume that someone has a racist intent without any sort of proof to back it up is the most irresponsible thing you can.
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I didn't know what race you were when I posted the "other" thing that Republicans try to pin on Obama so get off that high horse. Uncle Tom? Really? Stop it! You only divulged your race after I posted that then you come up with this aha! gotcha, you're playing the race card bs. And here's a newsflash since you don't have a television, (likely, ya right...rolls eyes) this isn't the 60's. It's 2012. I'm starting to see the bigotry and wingnut mindset that you possess. Tea party much? So you have no problem with all the auto employees losing their pensions and a lot of them losing their jobs? You don't have to answer, I think I already know.

[MEMBER_FDIC]

Nope, don't think he should have bailed them out

Then you must live in a cave. The industry is back on top. You really should get a television, just to catch up with this century if nothing else.

[cellunIocker1]

As a matter of fact I don't even have television service.

Are you Amish per chance?