Verizon's 3G network has become so slow that it's basically useless.

[fraydog]

I'd support it. It brings nothing but trouble to everyone else. Apple rakes in the cash but everyone else suffers.
iPhone users were the worst customers I had to deal with anyways while working at tech support, the most arrogant, rude, obnoxious when their precious "god" phone wasn't working up to snuff. Its thanks to that damn phone that carriers are screwing their customers more lately due to Apple screwing them over subsidies. I really hate that phone so much.

Even if you want off the iCrap, the other problem is that VZW's Android selection (please don't call them "Droids" unless you wish to provoke my wrath) sucks right now. If only Verizon would have got the One X.

[Dust N Bones]

Let's start a petition to ban the iphone.

I would support that just to annoy all the Isheep.

[ilvla2]

Even if you want off the iCrap, the other problem is that VZW's Android selection (please don't call them "Droids" unless you wish to provoke my wrath) sucks right now. If only Verizon would have got the One X.

Verizon's line of Droid's is cool man!

[Steveanderson13]

(please don't call them "Droids" unless you wish to provoke my wrath)

Droids....

[RussPath03]

I got pretty bad 3G speeds while on Verizon here. They got so bad even on LTE around my house that I left them with no ETF because they said a change happened in my area and not their tower and refused to fix their tower. lol.

Below is a speed test on AT&T 3G only. 4G is really 3G on the iphone 4S.

[chris4434]

... or, they could continue putting money into their 4G network that will be the only thing that people care about once the LTE iPhone is released. There's no point in increasing 3G network capacity when there is a reasonable expectation that the next iPhone launch will alleviate a significant amount of the load on your 3G network. As a current 4G user, I would much rather that Verizon invest in its 4G network to prevent a repeat of the 3G problem rather than having Verizon waste a whole bunch of money to go back and marginally increase the capacity of a network that, let's be honest, wasn't that great in the first place.

I don't see a majority of current 3G smartphone customers who are in contract buying the new iPhone at full retail even if it is a 4G device. Sure, some tech savvy people will but the vast majority of people will wait until their upgrade date which is almost 2 years.
I do think that they should continue to invest in their 4G network but what I have an issue with is they don't seem to be doing anything else but that (at least around here). They need to add capacity to the 3G network. They also desperately need to add more towers for coverage and capacity instead of having them
spread out as far as possible.

[fraydog]

Well Verizon has provided a solution, it's up to users and makers to get rid of outdated devices.

Verizon has the Fake Nexus that everyone thought was going to get supported, but didn't after it got dropped out of AOSP due to CDMA. The Rezound, which is a generation behind the One X. The RAZR's which are OK but there are better speced devices out there. No Windows Phone devices, and yet, they still willingly sell the iPhone, even though VZW tech support said "upgrade to a 4G phone." Well, what do you expect me to do when you have the worst Android selection of any carrier? Carrier selection, for most people, is not the be all end all. The only people still touting network are network geeks and people stuck in rural monopolies.

If only all the fanboys on here would insist on interoperable devices we'd all be better off. Instead we have the regional monopoly garbage. What's the difference between AT&T and Verizon? For 90% of the US population, not a lot.

Most of the rural areas don't need LTE either. Shamwow should just halt the LTE expansion after 2012 and give the money back to the shareholders.

[kupe]

The only people still touting network are network geeks and people stuck in rural monopolies.

I stick with the VZW network because my customers get mad if they find out I'm talking to them on my Sprint or AT&T phones. The dropped call rates for those two carriers is unacceptable in my opinion (more than a couple per month is all I'm willing to live with - AT&T and Sprint drop that many calls daily). THAT'S what a network is really about.

[Steveanderson13]

Verizon has the Fake Nexus that everyone thought was going to get supported, but didn't after it got dropped out of AOSP due to CDMA. The Rezound, which is a generation behind the One X. The RAZR's which are OK but there are better speced devices out there. No Windows Phone devices, and yet, they still willingly sell the iPhone, even though VZW tech support said "upgrade to a 4G phone." Well, what do you expect me to do when you have the worst Android selection of any carrier? Carrier selection, for most people, is not the be all end all. The only people still touting network are network geeks and people stuck in rural monopolies.

And the only people touting devices are device geeks or people whose status is determined by a phone. To me, the selection is good and gets the job done. I'm happy with my Bionic, no problems. But it gets panned all the time. The Nexus has sold well, gotten good reviews, read of signal issues and no updates yet. Rezound is thought best by many here; because One X comes out, Rezound is obsolete? You could look at it the opposite way and say Rezound beat One X by nine months. New phones all the time. Maxx is great; Trophy is a year old and selling. What do you need that you can't get? No matter what you get, it will be obsolete. Funny here how we are omitting Blackberry and not even noticing.

If only all the fanboys on here would insist on interoperable devices we'd all be better off. Instead we have the regional monopoly garbage. What's the difference between AT&T and Verizon? For 90% of the US population, not a lot.

Well, based on HoFo, seems way less than 90% to me. Even if the coverage was the same, I wouldn't switch--because of service and resolving problems. I know that's not universal. Interoperable is definitely way to go; dont know if LTE will enable that. Perhaps Google or Apple will lead the way. Fanboys or not on here will not make the difference.

Most of the rural areas don't need LTE either. Shamwow should just halt the LTE expansion after 2012 and give the money back to the shareholders.

I like "Shamwow", that's funny. Except not too wow. Maybe Shamu. Well, they have their toll-free plans for LTE; big Shoot Out at the OK Corral ahead.

[Wireless Junkie]

I got pretty bad 3G speeds while on Verizon here. They got so bad even on LTE around my house that I left them with no ETF because they said a change happened in my area and not their tower and refused to fix their tower. lol.

Below is a speed test on AT&T 3G only. 4G is really 3G on the iphone 4S.

No its not, that is an AT&T 4G test. AT&T advertises it as 4G and therefore it is.

[mush10]

I am going through a carrier crisis myself right now. I really want to switch back to AT&T as the device selection is much better in my opinion. I cannot stand the Moto line. Maybe a Maxx HD would change my mind.

Anyway, I am on my third week of testing the One X vs my Nexus and Verizon is kicking its butt all over the place. In the Northeast (NY to DC for me) LTE is so prevalent the EVDO issue is no longer worth worrying about if you have a 4G device. I will be posting my speed tests in the other threads as I want to follow through where I was originally posting in both the AT&T and Verizon speed test threads. But today I have been testing the One X vs the Galaxy Nexus down the Southern Jersey Shore and my AT&T speeds are between 2-3 Mbps vs 7-18 on the LTE network. I think I will be sticking with Verizon for the time being. They both are a pain in the ***, but no dropped calls and superior network speeds where I am, make it a pretty obvious decision for now.

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[Steveanderson13]

I am going through a carrier crisis myself right now. I really want to switch back to AT&T as the device selection is much better in my opinion.

Gee, you people treat phones like its candy. To each his own but device selection is always temporary and you answered your own questions.

But today I have been testing the One X vs the Galaxy Nexus down the Southern Jersey Shore and my AT&T speeds are between 2-3 Mbps vs 7-18 on the LTE network. I think I will be sticking with Verizon for the time being. They both are a pain in the ***, but no dropped calls and superior network speeds where I am, make it a pretty obvious decision for now.

Wow. I'd go with the One X because AT&T is America's largest 4g network, lol.
And most people understand and don't mind the dropped calls. You at least have the simultaneous data and dropped calls which other networks can't claim. Just picking...what a crisis, lol.

[johnhere]

I would love to have rollover and any mobile that att offers but I've been very pleased with the vz network as of lately so would hard to give that up. For me network trumps features. Although att has improved a lot so they may be the carrier of choice down the road. With the way vz is rolling out things AT&T better get a move on.

[nerdydesi]

That's the exact problem with all these carriers, overselling their networks. You will NEVER go into a store wanting to get a smartphone and hear a rep say "Sorry, we're not upgrading anymore customers to smartphones until we get our network up to snuff. You'll just have to wait a bit".

They are all more than happy to get us into these devices, milk that required data feature money from us, but not necessarily use it or at least all of it to improve their network to handle the influx of additional customers. Why not just get some of that into the suit's pockets instead?

They will only take action once enough customers start complaining. They only act reactively, not proactively. Of course they want to use as little of their massive profits as possible, only until customers start leaving as the quality of their network drops to whatever they deem is unacceptable. If customers won't leave because of sub-par data speeds, what do they care as long as you are still paying them that full amount monthly?

[Steveanderson13]

"Sorry, we're not upgrading anymore customers to smartphones until we get our network up to snuff. You'll just have to wait a bit".

"Now our new feature phones are right over there, sir, if you would like something to look at."