iPad mini in September 2012

[PinkPatty]

The rumors of an iPad Mini have been around seemingly forever, but now Wall Street analysts are starting to speak about the device with greater frequency. This may suggest that there may be some truth behind the speculation. This Ipad mini could bring in schools as buyers as they seek to integrate the iPad into the learning process.

[Telekom]

The rumors of an iPad Mini have been around seemingly forever, but now Wall Street analysts are starting to speak about the device with greater frequency. This may suggest that there may be some truth behind the speculation. This Ipad mini could bring in schools as buyers as they seek to integrate the iPad into the learning process.

Yeah, but how much is this likely to be the case when Apple in the past has always had the previous model on sale for a discount.

[Howmander]

AND the fact that there's already two iPad Minis: The iPhone and the iPod!

But seriously, a smaller iPad will bring schools in as buyers? That's ridiculous. So all the schools that won't bring them in now will suddenly do so once it's smaller? How is making the effective work area smaller an incentive? The iPad is already smaller than a standard notepad, it's even smaller than your typical sheet of paper (and not even talking about the screen, the whole entire thing is smaller than the standard sized sheet of paper any student would have in their notebooks or binders) The only reason people want a smaller ipad is solely because it's possible. There's no actual advantage to making it smaller in terms of productivity. Yes smaller means more portable, but again IT'S SMALLER THAN A SHEET OF PAPER. How many people spend the time cutting all their lined paper from staples in half so it's more portable vs the people that just take their paper as is and put it in a binder or folder? before the iPad came out people had binders of papers all the time and they were in every respect much larger than an ipad, and now suddenly people are incapable of working on anything that's already smaller than a sheet of paper so they want it smaller, yet not the size of an iPhone? People are just getting ridiculous.

Also, if they were making an iPad Mini, it would come out the same time as their regular sized iPad: case in point all their iPods come out at the same time, they don't release the ipod touch in the spring, then the ipod classic in the summer then the ipod nano in the fall then the ipod shuffle in the winter.

[stridr69]

AND the fact that there's already two iPad Minis: The iPhone and the iPod!

But seriously, a smaller iPad will bring schools in as buyers? That's ridiculous. So all the schools that won't bring them in now will suddenly do so once it's smaller? How is making the effective work area smaller an incentive? The iPad is already smaller than a standard notepad, it's even smaller than your typical sheet of paper (and not even talking about the screen, the whole entire thing is smaller than the standard sized sheet of paper any student would have in their notebooks or binders) The only reason people want a smaller ipad is solely because it's possible. There's no actual advantage to making it smaller in terms of productivity. Yes smaller means more portable, but again IT'S SMALLER THAN A SHEET OF PAPER. How many people spend the time cutting all their lined paper from staples in half so it's more portable vs the people that just take their paper as is and put it in a binder or folder? before the iPad came out people had binders of papers all the time and they were in every respect much larger than an ipad, and now suddenly people are incapable of working on anything that's already smaller than a sheet of paper so they want it smaller, yet not the size of an iPhone? People are just getting ridiculous.

Also, if they were making an iPad Mini, it would come out the same time as their regular sized iPad: case in point all their iPods come out at the same time, they don't release the ipod touch in the spring, then the ipod classic in the summer then the ipod nano in the fall then the ipod shuffle in the winter.

Actually there's a big market out there already for a smaller tablet-does kindle and nook come to mind? An apple version priced in that market would devastate those two tablets-espically the nook. Amazon is the only other tablet maker out there that has something even remotely resembling apple's environment. Time will tell, I'm betting the apple will introduce a 7" tablet in the 4th quarter this year. Place your bets, folks

[Howmander]

Actually there's a big market out there already for a smaller tablet-does kindle and nook come to mind? An apple version priced in that market would devastate those two tablets-espically the nook. Amazon is the only other tablet maker out there that has something even remotely resembling apple's environment. Time will tell, I'm betting the apple will introduce a 7" tablet in the 4th quarter this year. Place your bets, folks

Do you really think the nook and kindle are selling because they're smaller or because they're CHEAPER and aimed at a market that's looking for something to read books and do some other stuff, whereas ipad owners are buying ipads for everything and can also read books as a side. What do Kindles run? $109 - $379, Nooks run $99 - $199, neither have anything to do with size, it's price, so no, neither come to mind when comparing to an ipad that run from $579 - $850 and it doesn't come to the mind of anyone else in this example because no one has ever gone "Gee, I really want an iPad, but it's just so big. I'll get a Kindle instead"

[pongchatwills]

Hope the rumors could be a right one.

[darkside flow]

Do you really think the nook and kindle are selling because they're smaller or because they're CHEAPER and aimed at a market that's looking for something to read books and do some other stuff, whereas ipad owners are buying ipads for everything and can also read books as a side. What do Kindles run? $109 - $379, Nooks run $99 - $199, neither have anything to do with size, it's price, so no, neither come to mind when comparing to an ipad that run from $579 - $850 and it doesn't come to the mind of anyone else in this example because no one has ever gone "Gee, I really want an iPad, but it's just so big. I'll get a Kindle instead"

Kindle, Nook, Kobo.. They are all selling because they are smaller AND cheaper. The iPad is still a premium product, as it should be, but there is a market for a smaller, lower cost iPad without all the bells and whistles.

It's presumptuous, and some would say ignorant, to say that no one has ever chosen a smaller tablet over an iPad due to its size. Its the exact reason why i took a long hard look. All my mobile devices are Apple products, but when I went to consider a tablet as a gift for my fiance's mom, I went with the Kobo Vox. Smaller, lightweight, about the size of a book, runs Android apps (scrabble in particular, which interacts with the iPad via online gaming), has email and browsing, etc.

If Apple comes out with a competitively priced 7" lightweight tablet/e-reader, it will fly off the shelves, particularly with older users.

The concept of the smaller tablets being used in schools is right on the money because they are cheaper and more flexible for the classroom. In our lifetime we will see text book publishers moving to electronic distribution without a doubt.

[Howmander]

Kindle, Nook, Kobo.. They are all selling because they are smaller AND cheaper. The iPad is still a premium product, as it should be, but there is a market for a smaller, lower cost iPad without all the bells and whistles.

It's presumptuous, and some would say ignorant, to say that no one has ever chosen a smaller tablet over an iPad due to its size. Its the exact reason why i took a long hard look. All my mobile devices are Apple products, but when I went to consider a tablet as a gift for my fiance's mom, I went with the Kobo Vox. Smaller, lightweight, about the size of a book, runs Android apps (scrabble in particular, which interacts with the iPad via online gaming), has email and browsing, etc.

If Apple comes out with a competitively priced 7" lightweight tablet/e-reader, it will fly off the shelves, particularly with older users.

The concept of the smaller tablets being used in schools is right on the money because they are cheaper and more flexible for the classroom. In our lifetime we will see text book publishers moving to electronic distribution without a doubt.

AGAIN, you honestly think that the ipad (which is ALREADY smaller than any regular notebook or binder) is going to do BETTER if made SMALLER? Really? So explain why school aren't doing all their work on ipods instead of ipads? Because a smaller WORK space is ridiculous? Probably! When you play games and check email, sure smaller seems fine, but if you're actually doing work, how is making that area smaller any benefit? Is your Television 15"? Is your desk at work a flip out shelf only big enough for one book?

And are you honestly saying that just because the Kobo can run Android that makes it just like an Android tablet? Cause there's some pretty HUGE differences between the Kobo Vox and an actual Android Tablet, and if you didn't notice, then yeah, maybe to you a 7" tablet is fine since you must not use much on it:

http://goodereader.com/blog/electron...some-problems/

"f you are unhappy with the stock Kobo Vox apps that come with your device, like Twitter, Zinio, Rdio, and others, there is currently no way to uninstall them. Kobo has verified this fact and you will have to suffer with all of the built in apps, even if you don’t want them."

WTF?

"The Kobo Vox ships with the Getjar market at Kobo.Getjar.com! It does not have access to the official Google Android Market because it does not meet the hardware requirements for official certification."

http://www.kobobooks.com/kobovox_apps even lists the Pre loaded apps

So honestly, you're using this as your example for a smaller Android tablet that isn't actually a fully functional Android tablet? (it has it's own store, but not Android market so saying it can run Android is functionally pointless. It's like saying a computer can run Linux but you can only use the preloaded programs) You're comparatively saying that people go into the store and pass by the real laptops and desktops and go to the netbooks with the stripped down OS, poorer speed and function solely because the the size is a reason people go from tablet to tablet, not the actual functional use of the device. If you're buying a tablet or computer to make tweets and get your email, sure, size should be the deciding factor, but when it comes right down to it, if you're seriously looking at the size of the tablet as what makes you get one thing over the other, maybe you don't actually need a tablet in the first place. Do you honestly not see WHY the Kobo Vox is cheaper after seeing not only the size but the stripped down specs? It can't even get certified to use the Android Market (or Google Play or whatever they're calling it) and you honestly think that Apple would make a fully functional, smaller ipad comparatively priced with a device with stripped down specs? Really? Is the Alienware M18x also expected to make a 10" version and sell for the same price as an HP Mini? (ofcourse price should be an issue, but my point is that we're discussing size, not price, and that just because something is smaller doesn't mean it has the same functionality, as the Alienware computer can do a LOT more than the HP mini with it's stripped down OS, so comparing the two just because they both run windows is as ridiculous as comparing an ipad to the Kobo Vox that runs Android. Comparing to a fully functional Android tablet, yes, that is a valid comaprison)

And honestly, older people are going to go for a SMALLER screen? Really? Okay.

I never argued with schools going to tablets (why would you think I was?) I was arguing with the fact that SMALLER tablets are what would make the schools flock to them when they wouldn't do it before. Again, highlighting my previous example, the ipad is smaller than the typical notebooks, binders or even loose leaf sheets of paper you buy for the binders, so why would schools WANT a smaller work space? Why would anyone want a smaller WORK space? provide me with a link of any school in north america that says paper is too big and they don't provide paper to their students because it's too big, and I will concede your point. (yes I know students provide their own paper, but there's still paper on premises)

You also bring up the point of smaller tablets mean cheaper tablets so schools would then get them, which again, price not the point. The point was SIZE. You are correct in that cheaper tablets will be more conducive to schools getting them, however, what is the point of supplying students with hardware that has a smaller workspace, has less functionality and worse specs? Why even supply them with tech in the first place if the cheap tablet can do less than the student's phones can do? Also, You make tablets more portable and therefore more stealable, and do people steal from schools? all the time. So having smaller tablets to save money (which again, was never the point of this.) but if the small tablets get swiped every so often and need to be a replaced, where is the savings?

Basically, comparing the ipad to the Kobo Vox purely because the vox is smaller and runs android is ridiculous. It's smaller and it's cheaper because it's functionality is stripped down. It's not just purely a size thing. If Apple ever did do a smaller ipad, it would take a lot more than just a smaller size to bring it down to a comparable price, and if you bought a smaller ipad that worked slower and didn't have access to the App store but it was cheaper, would you think that was good or feel ripped off no matter how little you spent regardless of how much more portable it is? Saying something runs Android doesn't mean anything, really. You can't compare the Samsung Replenish to the Samsung Galaxy S3 and go "Oh, I'm going to get the Replenish because the Replenish is smaller." It's smaller and cheaper, but not anywhere near as useful.

[darkside flow]

AGAIN, you honestly think that the ipad (which is ALREADY smaller than any regular notebook or binder) is going to do BETTER if made SMALLER? Really? So explain why school aren't doing all their work on ipods instead of ipads? Because a smaller WORK space is ridiculous? Probably! When you play games and check email, sure smaller seems fine, but if you're actually doing work, how is making that area smaller any benefit? Is your Television 15"? Is your desk at work a flip out shelf only big enough for one book?

And are you honestly saying that just because the Kobo can run Android that makes it just like an Android tablet? Cause there's some pretty HUGE differences between the Kobo Vox and an actual Android Tablet, and if you didn't notice, then yeah, maybe to you a 7" tablet is fine since you must not use much on it:

http://goodereader.com/blog/electron...some-problems/

"f you are unhappy with the stock Kobo Vox apps that come with your device, like Twitter, Zinio, Rdio, and others, there is currently no way to uninstall them. Kobo has verified this fact and you will have to suffer with all of the built in apps, even if you don’t want them."

WTF?

"The Kobo Vox ships with the Getjar market at Kobo.Getjar.com! It does not have access to the official Google Android Market because it does not meet the hardware requirements for official certification."

http://www.kobobooks.com/kobovox_apps even lists the Pre loaded apps

So honestly, you're using this as your example for a smaller Android tablet that isn't actually a fully functional Android tablet? (it has it's own store, but not Android market so saying it can run Android is functionally pointless. It's like saying a computer can run Linux but you can only use the preloaded programs) You're comparatively saying that people go into the store and pass by the real laptops and desktops and go to the netbooks with the stripped down OS, poorer speed and function solely because the the size is a reason people go from tablet to tablet, not the actual functional use of the device. If you're buying a tablet or computer to make tweets and get your email, sure, size should be the deciding factor, but when it comes right down to it, if you're seriously looking at the size of the tablet as what makes you get one thing over the other, maybe you don't actually need a tablet in the first place. Do you honestly not see WHY the Kobo Vox is cheaper after seeing not only the size but the stripped down specs? It can't even get certified to use the Android Market (or Google Play or whatever they're calling it) and you honestly think that Apple would make a fully functional, smaller ipad comparatively priced with a device with stripped down specs? Really? Is the Alienware M18x also expected to make a 10" version and sell for the same price as an HP Mini? (ofcourse price should be an issue, but my point is that we're discussing size, not price, and that just because something is smaller doesn't mean it has the same functionality, as the Alienware computer can do a LOT more than the HP mini with it's stripped down OS, so comparing the two just because they both run windows is as ridiculous as comparing an ipad to the Kobo Vox that runs Android. Comparing to a fully functional Android tablet, yes, that is a valid comaprison)

And honestly, older people are going to go for a SMALLER screen? Really? Okay.

I never argued with schools going to tablets (why would you think I was?) I was arguing with the fact that SMALLER tablets are what would make the schools flock to them when they wouldn't do it before. Again, highlighting my previous example, the ipad is smaller than the typical notebooks, binders or even loose leaf sheets of paper you buy for the binders, so why would schools WANT a smaller work space? Why would anyone want a smaller WORK space? provide me with a link of any school in north america that says paper is too big and they don't provide paper to their students because it's too big, and I will concede your point. (yes I know students provide their own paper, but there's still paper on premises)

You also bring up the point of smaller tablets mean cheaper tablets so schools would then get them, which again, price not the point. The point was SIZE. You are correct in that cheaper tablets will be more conducive to schools getting them, however, what is the point of supplying students with hardware that has a smaller workspace, has less functionality and worse specs? Why even supply them with tech in the first place if the cheap tablet can do less than the student's phones can do? Also, You make tablets more portable and therefore more stealable, and do people steal from schools? all the time. So having smaller tablets to save money (which again, was never the point of this.) but if the small tablets get swiped every so often and need to be a replaced, where is the savings?

Basically, comparing the ipad to the Kobo Vox purely because the vox is smaller and runs android is ridiculous. It's smaller and it's cheaper because it's functionality is stripped down. It's not just purely a size thing. If Apple ever did do a smaller ipad, it would take a lot more than just a smaller size to bring it down to a comparable price, and if you bought a smaller ipad that worked slower and didn't have access to the App store but it was cheaper, would you think that was good or feel ripped off no matter how little you spent regardless of how much more portable it is? Saying something runs Android doesn't mean anything, really. You can't compare the Samsung Replenish to the Samsung Galaxy S3 and go "Oh, I'm going to get the Replenish because the Replenish is smaller." It's smaller and cheaper, but not anywhere near as useful.

There's a lot of stuff I won't address in your post because most of it has nothing to do with what I said, but I'll clarify a few points.

Cheaper/smaller is good for consumers and addresses a gap in the market where iPad does not reach.

Cheaper, by way of being smaller, is good for bulk purchasers such as schools.


Nowhere did I say that it is good for schools because it is smaller. But the proper comparison would be 7" tablets to novels and textbooks, not note-pads. This isn't for note-taking, it's for content distribution.

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If the screen is barely bigger than 6 inches most people would rather get a phone

[PinkPatty]

There's a lot of stuff I won't address in your post because most of it has nothing to do with what I said, but I'll clarify a few points.

Cheaper/smaller is good for consumers and addresses a gap in the market where iPad does not reach.

Cheaper, by way of being smaller, is good for bulk purchasers such as schools.


Nowhere did I say that it is good for schools because it is smaller. But the proper comparison would be 7" tablets to novels and textbooks, not note-pads. This isn't for note-taking, it's for content distribution.

Yes this is also what I'm thinking, maybe Apple really create this Ipad mini to market for schools, seeing there are many prospect buyer school will use it. And the news that's cheaper buyer will take a look to buy it.