How many people are leaving and when?

**hellraiser** · 06-13-2012, 09:11 PM

I have question regarding my plan if someone can chime in. The question I have is I currently have the 700 min family share plan with unlimited txt and unlimited data on my smart phone on my primary line. The secondary line is just a basic dumb phone with no data. I had an upgrade and I used that on the Samsung S3 in order to keep my unlimited data. The question I have is the other line is eligible for an upgrade what happens if my brother decides to upgrade from a dumb phone to a smart phone? Will I lose my unlimited data and have to be put on the new shared data plans? Also if I am able to keep my unlimited data and he upgrades can he choose the 2GB for 30 bucks or what data plan is he choosing from?

Thanks,
Doug

**ben7337** · 06-13-2012, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by hellraiser

I have question regarding my plan if someone can chime in. The question I have is I currently have the 700 min family share plan with unlimited txt and unlimited data on my smart phone on my primary line. The secondary line is just a basic dumb phone with no data. I had an upgrade and I used that on the Samsung S3 in order to keep my unlimited data. The question I have is the other line is eligible for an upgrade what happens if my brother decides to upgrade from a dumb phone to a smart phone? Will I lose my unlimited data and have to be put on the new shared data plans? Also if I am able to keep my unlimited data and he upgrades can he choose the 2GB for 30 bucks or what data plan is he choosing from?

Thanks,
Doug

Right now we don't know for sure, this issue affects me too and I can say that the training material leak doesn't cover it. Twitter says he can add the 2GB plan if he wants after 6/28, but other VZW support people say no one can upgrade after 6/28 without going to the new share plans except those on unlimited who can move to the 2GB plan. So basically we are still listening and waiting to find out just what happens if someone on a family plan wants to move from dumbphone to smartphone after 6/28. Hopefully Verizon makes an official statement at least a few days before the switch.

**verizonil** · 06-13-2012, 10:04 PM

I noticed tonight as I was checking alternatives that Strait Talk has a samsung galaxy proclaim which is actually showing that it is using verizon and states its on americas largest most reliable network in red on the package. After doing some research I believe this might be a viable alternative to some people wishing to switch. The problem with other prepaid plans is that they mostly work off of sprints network which isnt everywhere. This new strait talk phone is stated as using verizons native 3g coverage area which is identical to their own 3g prepaid plan although much cheaper at $45 a month. As far as data caps it is saying supposedly their is a 4gb soft cap on straight talk for plans running on Verizons network. Another option that walmart offers is whats left of Alltel and US cellular have partnered up to offer unlimited talk/text/2gb of data for smartphones with no roaming nationwide at $50 a month which helps as an alternative in other rural areas. If prepaid ever gets lte in a few years we will be in luck. I find it absurd that verizon is letting these companies piggy back off their network and at a cheaper cost then they offer themselves. Anyone else find that odd?

**hellraiser** · 06-13-2012, 10:22 PM

Some of the Straight talk phones use Verizon towers, but they also use AT@T and Sprint. If you stop in Walmart most of the Android smart phones they sell use Sprint. On the box they say CDMA-S which is Sprint. If it says GSM on the box its using AT@T and if it just says cdma its on verizon. You are correct. The Proclaim actually is one of the few or the only smart phone that I know of that does use Verizon.

**Antenna** · 06-13-2012, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by ilvla2

I gotta admit, these new plans are $$$, I hope AT&T does better when they finally get shared data.

That's how they have money to put LTE in Mendocino....lol.

Still no LTE for high desert, yet we pay out the door.

Tmobile EDGE doesn't seem so bad now.....lol

Sent from my DROID RAZR

**veriztd** · 06-13-2012, 11:21 PM

Back to the topic of this thread: I don't think the mass exodus from Verizon that some are predicting here will happen. Remember when Verizon finally got the iPhone 4 and everyone was predicting that the same thing would happen to At&t ?? Same old story and probably the same results, some left but not in large numbers as predicted.

**newyork4me** · 06-13-2012, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by veriztd

Back to the topic of this thread: I don't think the mass exodus from Verizon that some are predicting here will happen. Remember when Verizon finally got the iPhone 4 and everyone was predicting that the same thing would happen to At&t ?? Same old story and probably the same results, some left but not in large numbers as predicted.

The difference is that people were complaining about the quality of service with AT&T, not the cost. With Verizon, the complaint is that they want to charge more than many people's car payment.

The median *family* income is ~$45,000 now. A median-income family of 4 or 5 could be spending roughly 10% of their after-tax income on their cellular bill. That shouldn't/won't happen...

**moto94536** · 06-14-2012, 12:08 AM

I have 5 lines, 1400 minutes w/unlimited tax. 2 smartphone and 3 feature phone. pay $210 plus tax.
If I switch to new plans with 3 smartphone,2 feature, it will cost $250-$260 ( 4 gb-6gb).

My point is it is too expensive to switch to smartphone from feature phone. I will have to pay $40-$50 a month extra..

I don't think you can keep the old plans when you upgrade your phone.. You will be force to pick the new plan.

not everyone need unlimited talk..

**johnhere** · 06-14-2012, 08:59 AM

I don't plan on leaving over this. If I did I would prob choose a prepaid plan.

**GSMinCT** · 06-14-2012, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by verizonil

I find it absurd that verizon is letting these companies piggy back off their network and at a cheaper cost then they offer themselves. Anyone else find that odd?

1. No phone subsidies.
2. Someone else handles what little support there is.
3. These phones don't get access to the crown jewel of the Verizon system, the 746mhz LTE network.

The Proclaim is interesting for $45, but it clearly doesn't have Verizon roaming, which could be a problem considering that Verizon has big chunks of the country (Downeast Maine USCC, Appalachian Wireless and Bluegrass Cellular territories, all of Alaska, that aren't covered by native Verizon. If they could get 1x roaming on that, it would be near perfect for domestic use.

The upside is that phone is the perfect size, with a 3.5" screen, and it has everything that high-end Android phones had two years ago. Amazing how fast this tech is moving.

The ST SIM is actually the best deal out there, with support for the same roaming partners AT&T has, except that it won't help people who are in slow EDGE areas if they want data that actually works.

**Sam73065** · 06-14-2012, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by elefante72

That is incorrect. I have an iphone 4s 3G on Verizon (actually all iphones are 3G), and I can stream video without issue.

The ATTM iphone 4S is 4G, the icon says so.......

Originally Posted by jeffro01

While I'm not going anywhere, I would have like to seen the top end be higher than 10GB... Such is life though.

Jeff

Originally Posted by jseah

You can get more than 10 GB, you'll just be paying an extra $10 per GB. So if you want 20 GB, you'll be paying $200.

Whatever you end up "prepaying" for, if you go over, they will charge you $15 per GB of overage.

Verizon called me in response to my email concerning their new pricing and I was told, there is a 30 gb shared tier for $200. Also if your average use was say 10gb and you saw you were going to exceed 10gb that month, you could call in and up your data tier for that month's billing cycle to 30gb, which would be advantageous if you were going to exceed your 10gb allowance by more than 10gb.

Originally Posted by veriztd

Back to the topic of this thread: I don't think the mass exodus from Verizon that some are predicting here will happen. Remember when Verizon finally got the iPhone 4 and everyone was predicting that the same thing would happen to At&t ?? Same old story and probably the same results, some left but not in large numbers as predicted.

I doubt we'll see a mass exodus since I expect ATTM's new share plan pricing to be as egregious as Verizon's is. But in all honestly I'd love to see new customers refuse to sign with Verizon and ATTM, while current customers leave until we see sanity come back to plan pricing.

**kupe** · 06-14-2012, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by veriztd

Back to the topic of this thread: I don't think the mass exodus from Verizon that some are predicting here will happen. Remember when Verizon finally got the iPhone 4 and everyone was predicting that the same thing would happen to At&t ?? Same old story and probably the same results, some left but not in large numbers as predicted.

The whole premise of this thread seems backward to me. Instead of "How many are leaving and when," the discussion should be: "If you left Verizon where would you go and why?" Leaving Verizon "just because" says nothing about where one might go and still fulfill all their wireless needs. After all, current Verizon customers chose Verizon for a reason in the first place, and it probably wasn't cheaper prices!

**GSMinCT** · 06-14-2012, 10:55 AM

Quite true, the cheapskates would be on Metro Pretty Crappy Service!

**johnhere** · 06-14-2012, 10:59 AM

It would be hard to give up the Verizon reliability especially now that I don't have a landline. I plan to just keep the plan I have now for as long as I can,

**mush10** · 06-14-2012, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by kupe

The whole premise of this thread seems backward to me. Instead of "How many are leaving and when," the discussion should be: "If you left Verizon where would you go and why?" Leaving Verizon "just because" says nothing about where one might go and still fulfill all their wireless needs. After all, current Verizon customers chose Verizon for a reason in the first place, and it probably wasn't cheaper prices!

It is a true that I am willing to pay a premium for a service, but if that service can no longer meet my needs I will go elsewhere. My problem is less even with the data prices as it is the $40 add a line charge on top of it. Verizon can spin it anyway they want, but I may not need some of my lines to have unlimited voice and text, so paying $40 as opposed to $10 may cause me to find other options. I think the big question is what does AT&T do. If, as is usually the case, AT&T mirrors Verizon or vice versa, it comes back to pure network choice. However, if AT&T makes a compelling case with their plans I will probably leave. There are also the factors of where you live, etc. In the northeast where I live, I have solid coverage with AT&T and Verizon. Verizon is beating AT&T for my needs with their LTE rollout, but for the few times that is a win currently, there is a cost I am willing to pay and a cost I am not.