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Radiation is good
Reading this thread & looking @ my NOKIA N8 with Belle, I've got to ask "burning oil platform"?
True, Symbian was a little long in the tooth, but, my N8 simply suffers from being two years + old - it does everything else & Symbian Belle brought an Android-like UI which is smooth, despite being underpowered. There are some niggling little issues, but overall it does what I need it to do ...
my whole issue is needing / wanting more screen real estate - If the N8 had a 4 to 4.5 " screen, I'd be good to go for the next 2-3 years ...
with a Symbian phone, which could have smoothly transitioned NOKIA to MEEGO (w Marketing, it coulda been a contender)
informed/intelligent comments are welcome.
peace,
ROK
My screen is bigger than yours
And Android runs like a $0 operating system. And it's actually not a $0 OS, since phone manufacturers have to pay Microsoft about $15 for each Android device they sell. Personally, after the experience I've had with Android, I'd rather pay a little more and get a good quality OS.Originally Posted by jjprusk
Phone Expert
In other words, avoid WinJunk? Must be you'll be switching to IOS... Says much about M$ - the way for them to make money is for people to pay them $$$ to not run their OS. Sounds right to me.
I have a blue tooth
Some people just can't be reasoned with, jjprusk is one of them.
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The word 'Pentaband' means '5 Bands', from the Greek word 'pente' meaning '5'. For a phone to be pentaband it has to support 5 bands. If the phone has AWS support, it doesn't automatically mean that it is pentaband. The reason Wind and Mobilicity users like pentaband phones is because the reverse is true. We're not the only ones who like pentaband phones though, so please stop referring to phones that work on Wind and Mobilicity as pentaband. It causes unnecessary cofusion.
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MS' strategy is very strange. They obviously couldn't wait till now to release Windows Phone, but in doing so, they did screw up Nokia pretty bad. Lumia just started gaining traction before MS stopped that and announced no upgrades/backwards compatibility to these current market devices.
Also, what's with MS trying to pick off the carcass' of every dying OEM. Danger, Nokia, now RIM possibly? :-S
MS has far too much money to burn obviously.
Phone Expert
Far more money than brains. And a fool and his money...
Mobile phone addict
It is weird in a way, because Nokia could have done whatever they wanted to the Android UI and produced excellent hardware, as they have a history of doing, thus differentiating themselves, and still have benefited from the huge marketplace of Android apps.
In the extreme case, look at what Amazon did with the Kindle Fire. It is Android under the hood, but it sure doesn't feel like an Android device, and doesn't even use the Android market.
It remains to be seen how the bet on Microsoft pays off, but the omens don't look good.
"I didn't get fat by accident. This was a personal choice. " - Kevin Gillespie
I have a blue tooth
Nokia couldn't have done what Amazon did. They already tried building their own ecosystem with Ovi, and that flopped. They had to join another ecosystem, with WP they could leverage their own assets. With Android, they'd have to give up all their investments into Maps. That would be disastrous. With the WP partnership, if Nokia decides to do their own platform again in the future, they've got the Maps that they've continued developing. With Android, they would have had to sell it off, or only rely on it for S40.
Phone Expert
Pretty funny - obviously you live in a bit different world than everyone else. Did you not look at the stock chart - or was that from the wrong news source? Their strategy has been disastrous - ask any investor. Other than M$ acquiring it (and then more than likely messing it up...), who cares about their mapping software? Google provides maps. Apple soon will be providing maps. They've made all the wrong decisions and will soon be gone or bought out and subsumed, hence the name of this thread "bye bye Nokia".
© 2013
The only thing I don't like is better companies have failed merely because they didn't have the mountain of cash to blow to remain existent and force them sevles onto a market like MS can. (Look at Xbox for example). MS can lose so much money before even considering to look for profit generation. WebOS was way ahead of the time (cloud connectivity) and sucks they had to burn. RIM deserves to die however, they could have been more before BB10 and 7...
So it's like MS has a fixed bet and a deal with several devils, and the omens look good because their soul is sold.
Cryptonomicon
I can't help but think the fiasco of no current WP phones being upgradable to WP8 is a disaster. Alienate your customer base and risk driving them to seek other solutions. That's exactly what Nokia did to me years ago. Lack of North American support finally forced me to look at other platforms and I ended up with BlackBerrys for a decade. I never would have looked if my N95 didn't need a firmware update that never came (while euro-verisons got multiple updates).
Phone Expert
And some people, like Migo, are very slow to catch on. Check out http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8610NP20120702, which is yet another milestone on the march to $0 OS. It is for "feature phones", but as with all technology these phones will eventually eat away at the high-end market very quickly. The days of M$ controlling the OS space and collecting their exorbitant fees for their junk software are coming to an end - and none too soon!
Mobile phone addict
Well, Microsoft has never controlled the smartphone OS space. Not that I didn't use and was never very satisfied with Windows Mobile, but MS never dominated the smartphone OS space in the way they dominated the desktop OS/office suite space. RIM and Symbian were historically the big players.
More competition is good for all of us. The current Android/iOS duopoly isn't a good thing. A world with several a few viable smartphone OS platform alternatives would be a good thing.
It will be interesting to see if Microsoft gets pushed out of their pretty much exclusive position in the enterprise space. They offer a compelling cohesive toolset, and most companies just hand over a blank cheque to Microsoft every year rather than explore cheaper alternatives. Their IT folks have a vested interest in maintaining their MS investment. Many of their skills would become useless in a world dominated by free/open source software. In the unlikely event this happens, this would kill Microsoft's biggest cash cow, and might well spell their doom.
Radiation is good
Indirectly, M$ does control the smartphone marketplace... or rather is capitalizing on Android's growth.
For every Android smartphone sold, M$ collects royalties from the vendor for certain proprietary (hardware / software ??) solutions included.
NOW, as far as Nokia, they "have a contingency plan" ...
Have to wonder if that includes Android (or Meego or Tizen ??)
Picture an Android 4.1 (JellyBean) OS (because we don't need no ICS) in a Lumia 900 package ! Oh, the shell of the Lumia 900 is a tad small to accomodate the dual processors, LTE radio & NFC ... so let's re-tool & blow the housing out to a 4.5" display & we'll need room for the SDcard slot & ... We'll make it in RED for Verizon, BLUE for AT&T, MAGENTA / PINK for TMob - because after all, we're trying to save our a$$e$ !
and we'll still produce some Win8 phones, until M$ screws us again ... then plan B!!
Phone Expert
Now you're talking! If Nokia dumps WinJunk there may be hope for them yet... However, the mistake of using WinJunk and then having to finally go to an OS they can win with will cost them dearly. We may see their stock below $1 before they get this thing turned around (or get bought out...).
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