Don't believe the hype!

[mch]

I would like to point out that the platforms you see will change based on where you happen to be. The types of people who are in attendance.

For example; if you happen to be attending a blackberry convention, then you are likely to see a higher than usual concentration of rim hardware vs. anyone else.

The "toronto business" crowd is still very much locked in to rim products, and these stuffed shirts have teenage daughters who talk them into iJunk. The actual sales figures don't lie - Android is above 55% market share globally (more than DOUBLE its nearest competitor), RIM is sitting around 7% AND STILL FALLING. Even SYMBIAN, peaked at about 65% in 2007, been in a near freefall nosedive ever since, now barely over RIM at about 9%.
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Good point. Here with the Seattle tech company business crowd it is mostly iPhone's and Androids, even with the executives (VPs, Directors, etc.)

It is the Seattle tech company business crowd though. You never know if the scruffy guy wearing frayed jeans and a t-shirt is actually a director making the better part of a million dollars a year. This isn't Bay Street - Toronto. The business culture is quite different.

[Steve Adams]

I hope bb can pull a rabbit out of their hat as the bold9900, play book, and new shots of the os10 device are great. Either shape up or hopefully be bought out by google to make the android platform outta this world.

[ansky]

Funny story. I was on a train going to Long Island last night and there was a group of women in their 20's sitting in the seats behind me so I could easily overhear their conversation. They were all bashing the one woman in the group who had a Blackberry...ridiculing her about how she could still be using such a device. The woman with the BB was responding with "I know I know, I'm getting rid of it soon". I just thought it was funny how poor RIM's image is in the consumer market.

[mch]

They are acting like teenagers..

Part of what is going on here is that more and more businesses are moving from a model where they supply devices hooked up to corporate email to a BYOD model with some degree of reimbursement. The goal here is to cut costs. In this scenario, the consumer market starts to matter a lot for the business market.

This coupled with the fact that licensing for Activesync is so much cheaper than BES sort of signs RIMs writ of doom. Yes, I know that BES offers a lot more functionality in terms of security and locking down devices (not really acceptable in the BYOD world anyway) but the cost difference is enormous, and companies are always looking to cut costs.

Third. A lot of IT folks at Microsoft shops also hate managing BES. Especially, if you are dealing with a lot of device additions, it is labour intensive, where Activesync isn't. These folks are already managing Exchange, so just see BES as an added burden. This also filters up to folks who make decisions. Thus we see organisations discontinuing Blackberry support altogether.

All this is probably obvious to anyone following the enterprise market.

I do wish RIM well, but they need to do something truly radical to survive. I am not sure exactly what that is, but I predict a new client OS with sexy new devices won't be enough. The trick is going to be making these radical moves without cannibalising their existing revenue stream.

[Steve Adams]

Funny story. I was on a train going to Long Island last night and there was a group of women in their 20's sitting in the seats behind me so I could easily overhear their conversation. They were all bashing the one woman in the group who had a Blackberry...ridiculing her about how she could still be using such a device. The woman with the BB was responding with "I know I know, I'm getting rid of it soon". I just thought it was funny how poor RIM's image is in the consumer market.

That's because the iPhone has become a status symbol. Don't matter if the blackberry is better, your holding an iPhone your cool. Well they think so anyways. I'm an android fan, but respect the Blackbery devices. Some are solid, some are poor.

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[mch]

That's because the iPhone has become a status symbol. Don't matter if the blackberry is better, your holding an iPhone your cool. Well they think so anyways. I'm an android fan, but respect the Blackbery devices. Some are solid, some are poor.

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I carried a BB for around a decade. My first one was a RIM 950. My last one was a 9700. There were a few in between. They were all great devices. Well, other than the trackball problems on the 8830 maybe, but it was easy and cheap to replace.

[Steve Adams]

I carried a BB for around a decade. My first one was a RIM 950. My last one was a 9700. There were a few in between. They were all great devices. Well, other than the trackball problems on the 8830 maybe, but it was easy and cheap to replace.

My fathers 9900 is a great unit. The battery life is poor however. The playbook is awesome too. The storm series is crap, they either tried to do much, or never had good engineers on that one. My 8130 was solid too, however in this age of multimedia, photos from our phones etc, blackberry is coming up short. Os10, if they get a chance to release it will help that out a lot, as well as the new devices.

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[Tsepz_GP]

I remember wanting the original BB Storm, but ended up getting a Nokia 5800xm after reading and hearing all the complaints about the Storm.

My mum got a BB9810 Torch, and i really like that one to, but just like the 9900, battery life isnt great, and its lacking compared to even the 2011 Androids.


I'd love to see a BB9810 Torch type BB10 device with a 3.7inch HD720P slide display, kind of like the HP Pre3, with slim bezel, plus 16GB built-in mem and MicroSD slot, 1800mAh battery, and maybe a dual-core Qualcomm S4 Krait chip?
Would make viewing large emails and managing large documents a breeze, not mention amazing web browsing experience.

[i0wnj00]

I hope bb can pull a rabbit out of their hat as the bold9900, play book, and new shots of the os10 device are great. Either shape up or hopefully be bought out by google to make the android platform outta this world.

The problem is that we have to wait till at least Q1 2013 before the rabbit even shows up, that's a BIG IF considering they have feeding the tech media different dates. The real question is if people will want to wait while Android and Apple devices are coming out with devices with shorter timeframes than when RIM actually figures out when to release the next device.

RIM has been talking about BBOS10 and supported devices for awhile, but can't seem to figure out when they can release new devices. Q1 2013? Yeah right..I believe it when I see it, that or whatever they release will be using technology nobody uses anymore.

Title of the thread is right...just apply it to the hype RIM has been playing with their (supposed) BBOS10 devices.

[DummyBuy]

My personal take is blackberry will survive and take the #2 or #3 spot on the market, however

1) When you see blackberry in all major companies is because of major project deployment that is based on that model. If can be possible that right now, companies may be working our a corporate solution for iphone, android and windows phone. If they were to do this, we will not see this deployed until sometime next year so just because you may see a lot of blackberry now, doe not mean they will stay here

2) For sure, personal blackberry phones are being replaced with iphone or Android. That is a fact.

3) The government is using RIM devices and unless they can come up with a better solution, they cannot afford to have blackberry die or sold to an foreign company.

4) Blackberry needs to improve on the quality as their new products are all POS units.

Blackberry 10 will decide the fate of the company and they know it so that is why they delayed it to make sure they do not screw up.

My prediction is stocks will go as low as $10 each before they rise up to $40 sometime around November 2013 so hang on for the ride.

[DennyCrane]

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My prediction is stocks will go as low as $10 each before they rise up to $40 sometime around November 2013 so hang on for the ride.

RIM stocks are already below $10. Today they're trading at $8.11 USD.

http://quotes.wsj.com/RIMM

I wanted to buy when they were at $12, but now I'm glad I waited. I think I'll wait it out for another 6 months.

[mch]

My personal take is blackberry will survive and take the #2 or #3 spot on the market, however

1) When you see blackberry in all major companies is because of major project deployment that is based on that model. If can be possible that right now, companies may be working our a corporate solution for iphone, android and windows phone. If they were to do this, we will not see this deployed until sometime next year so just because you may see a lot of blackberry now, doe not mean they will stay here

2) For sure, personal blackberry phones are being replaced with iphone or Android. That is a fact.

3) The government is using RIM devices and unless they can come up with a better solution, they cannot afford to have blackberry die or sold to an foreign company.

4) Blackberry needs to improve on the quality as their new products are all POS units.

Blackberry 10 will decide the fate of the company and they know it so that is why they delayed it to make sure they do not screw up.

My prediction is stocks will go as low as $10 each before they rise up to $40 sometime around November 2013 so hang on for the ride.

Blackbery in "all major companies" is already becoming a think of the past.

Much of the corporate world is already leaving BES and moving to letting people get email on their own devices via Activesync. Companies moving en masse to a BYOD model for corporate email is a big part of what is killing RIM. For the company, they still get some management features (remote wipe, password management). A licence for activesync is much much cheaper than a BES licence and company provided phone and service. Less secure too, but that is a trade off many are willing to make. Tough economic times are forcing companies to cut costs. Activesync is cheap and easy if you are already running Exchange.

All one needs to do is understand how corporate decision makers think. Look at the following.

My IT budget has been cut by 10%. I need to figure out how to save money and drive down my cost per user or I will be fired and looking for a new job next year.

1. a BES licence is expensive. The people who work for me hate managing BES as it is labour intensive.
2. Activesync is cheap because we already have Exchange.
3. Paying for a phone, service, and the support folks to track and support all that is expensive.

So if I let people use their own phones and use ActiveSync to get their email we save big time, even if some people expense a portion of their bill. The consequence is, employees buy what they want rather than use what they are given. The consumer market rules. RIM goes into a death spiral.

The market has changed. More than anything, Microsoft killed RIM, but didn't really benefit from it in terms of device sales. I hope that RIM can figure out how to adapt. The government business alone will not keep them alive in their current form.

[DummyBuy]

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RIM stocks are already below $10. Today they're trading at $8.11 USD.

http://quotes.wsj.com/RIMM

I wanted to buy when they were at $12, but now I'm glad I waited. I think I'll wait it out for another 6 months.

Yea sorry, meant $5, not $10

I am getting tempting to invest in them as I know in my heart that they will go to $40 back but really think they will hit approx $5 in the next 2 months.

[DummyBuy]

Much of the corporate world is already leaving BES and moving to letting people get email on their own devices via Activesync. Companies moving en masse to a BYOD model for corporate email is a big part of what is killing RIM. For the company, they still get some management features (remote wipe, password management). A licence for activesync is much much cheaper than a BES licence and company provided phone and service. Less secure too, but that is a trade off many are willing to make. Tough economic times are forcing companies to cut costs. Activesync is cheap and easy if you are already running Exchange.

All one needs to do is understand how corporate decision makers think.

The market has changed. I hope that RIM can figure out how to adapt. The government business alone will not keep them alive in their current form.

I am out of the corporate world, I used to work for CIBC in the technology department so I take your word on this but from when I was there, they biggest problem they were worried about was security and I can't think of a large company that will risk using any phone that may have spyware and other on it and be exposed to a big security threat.

[DennyCrane]

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RIM stocks are already below $10. Today they're trading at $8.11 USD.

http://quotes.wsj.com/RIMM

I wanted to buy when they were at $12, but now I'm glad I waited. I think I'll wait it out for another 6 months.

Yea sorry, meant $5, not $10

I am getting tempting to invest in them as I know in my heart that they will go to $40 back but really think they will hit approx $5 in the next 2 months.

Yeah, I have faith it'll come back up as well. I don't think you're too off base by saying they'll hit $5. That's why I want to wait it out until closer to the end of the year.