Does this shed some light on your questions and concerns? http://www.citypopulation.de/Canada-Alberta.html
You can compare and contrast to Ontario's numbers here. http://www.citypopulation.de/Canada-Ontario.html
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Just wondering if anyone can answer this...
Is the lack of expansion outside of Edmonton and Calgary a result of financial/timeline restrictions, or is it due to a lack of spectrum here?
I'm curious as I see expansion in BC and Ontario outside the original home zones, but nothing is even planned for the surrounding cities in Alberta.
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Does this shed some light on your questions and concerns? http://www.citypopulation.de/Canada-Alberta.html
You can compare and contrast to Ontario's numbers here. http://www.citypopulation.de/Canada-Ontario.html
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Gee thanks. I never would have figured out the population difference without that link...Originally Posted by tendenzi
That wasn't really what I was asking though. Maybe I wasn't clear enough in the way I asked, so I will rephrase the question...
Does Wind have enough spectrum in Alberta to expand beyond the two major cities to the surrounding communities, and they simply haven't done so yet, or do they need to acquire more spectrum to do so?
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Oh I'm sorry, I thought you knew how to use a search function that takes 5 seconds and not like 5 hours! LOL!
I found this for you through both that crazy new search engine thing called google, but as well through these very forums where your question has been asked numerous times, just with slightly different personal bias' implemented by the OP's.
Here you go. http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst...g/sf09004.html
The earliest form of discussion I found right here in hofo was from 2008. http://www.howardforums.com/showthre...berta+spectrum
Now use both posts, and answer BOTH your questions? (because yes, you did have two, and clarifying doesn't erase the first post you made)
Yes, WIND has the same spectrum in Alberta to expand to anywhere, and the second part is why should they, it's a waste of resources right now.
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As Tendenzi said, they have spectrum across all of Alberta. However, they have said (and like everything else they say, you have to take this with a boulder of salt) that they won't expand into Alberta with their AWS spectrum as it's not cost effective to cover large rural areas with exclusively high frequency spectrum.
Based on a combination of population and license requirements, I'd guess that we will see coverage in more of Southern and Eastern Ontario, Sudbury and/or Thunder Bay, Victoria, Kelowna, Halifax, Moncton or St. John, St. John's, Charlottetown, Sydney, Winnipeg, Brandon, Regina, Moose Jaw, Saskatoon, and Yellowknife before we will see significant growth in Alberta beyond improvement in Calgary/Edmonton and maybe Red Deer and highway 2.
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Wind had aspirations to expand south of Edmonton onto QE2 and into Red Deer, but I really doubt that's going to happen. Long story short, it is dwarfed by (more lucrative) expansion plans elsewhere and definitely not a question of capacity or technology.
Personally, this is a good thing. Wind should not be expanding into non-lucrative areas until their ARPU improves. Urban expansion and patching holes are key to this strategy.
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I remember reading Tony saying that it's not economically feasible to expand in Alberta more than what they currently offer with AWS. Also they need to balance fulfilling their % of population requirement for their licenses along with economically feasible expansions.
I'd also assume they would connect the scattered Ontario zones together first such as K/W and Toronto before connecting Edmonton and Calgary.
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Couldn't you just have answered the question, without the sarcasm?
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They expanded into Fort Saskatchewan not too long ago..
Nothing happens over night, especially when you're on a budget.
Nevermind Bell.. LTE is fine.
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That is the answer I was looking for.
Thank you
I'd thank Tendenzi, but I'm choosing to ignore that post due to the unnecessary sarcasm and answers to questions I wasn't actually asking.
Geez. I already understand the financial aspect of it - that wasn't the question.
My post was not a complaint about lack of expansion, nor am I unaware of the cost/benefit aspect of expanding here. I was simply curious about the technical aspects of it.
All I could understand from the spectrum auction information was that Wind bought spectrum in Alberta. Looking at the numbers doesn't mean anything to me as I don't have the technical knowledge to make sense of it.
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I did. See my first reply. What I did when you quoted me was answered sarcasm with sarcasm. And NB shouldn't be too offended I even imitated his own brand of sarcasm back on him. I don't want to have to hold people's hands in guiding them through answers they should already assume.
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Re-read your original post there NB.
Can you then please clarify how this was not a complaint and/or your awareness of the cost/benefit aspect of expanding? If I am wrong comprehending your ORIGINAL POST, I'll publicly apologize for my initial response, which might I add, had NO sarcasm. You want to be sarcastic and rude first, be my guest, but don't go criticizing me when I follow up with the same thing. No need to be a hypocrite too.My post was not a complaint about lack of expansion, nor am I unaware of the cost/benefit aspect of expanding here. I was simply curious about the technical aspects of it.
Anyways, here's what you said:
2 questions, I provided one of the answers for the first half did I not? Also note, no one here is actually of privilege to have precise information so all we can do is speculate.
Note: Highlighted in red are all the areas of confusion you provided here in this thread. Please follow it along for your convenience.
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As I said, it was not a complaint.
I was just curious about the reasons behind lack of expansion in Alberta. I wanted to know if the reasons were cost/benefit related, or spectrum related as I have a very limited understanding of the latter.
I posted here as I figured there would be more people here familiar with the technical aspects than on Wind's forum.
Heck, if I posted there, it would have turned into a thread full of whining got the lack of expansion, with a Wind rep response along the lines of "At the current time, we only have coverage in Calgary and Edmonton, but please keep checking our coverage maps from time to time."
Neither is useful, and neither answers my question.
Instead, you turned this thread into exactly what I was trying to avoid.
Granted, my first question was not well phrased, so I'll take some blame for that, but as I said, I'm not that familiar with network building and spectrum limitations, so it's hard for me to ask clearly.
I work in retail, not a wireless field.
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Why do I even read these things? Someone please cover my head with a big bag of fresh Alberta spectrum.
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