Samsung is not "cool"

[Steve Adams]

I'm sure it's a mansion, by newfie standards anyway. Lots of things are a little different out there.

Yeah it is different. we don't have to deal with fuk head mainlanders

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[Furry Atom]

You guys do realize that Steve's signature sums up his posts entirely right? He's living in his own reality where he's actually successful, that's why he's unable to keep his story straight or actually tell us what schools he went to or businesses he owns. They don't exist in our reality.

[ceredon]

Yeah it is different. we don't have to deal with fuk head mainlanders

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LOL. Probably the best for all involved.

I'd say something about not dealing with newfies out here but we still get so many moving out here to look for work, Cambridge is like little Newfoundland with all of them crawling around. I actually love having so many out here. No shortage of cheap labour (when they're sober). Just kidding. I love newfies.

Have a good night and enjoy your beers. Try not to have too many though.

Edit: thought of another one. If you don't deal with mainlanders, who sends the cheque at the end of the month? Oh, I forgot, you have all that oil money now. Heh. Actually, with the culture what it is out there, I expect Android is the platform of choice for everyone. Demographics never lie.

[i0wnj00]

I see that Apple wants to prevent the competition from bringing their products to the market by using the court system. No harm is done when a competitor decides to release another rectangle shaped with a similar size to the iPad, especially when it's obvious to the consumer that there's a distinction between the devices.

Now, I can see an issue if a competitor released a device called the iPADD, IPAd etc.. and actually copied the looks and appearance of the iPad down to the hardware and OS so as to confuse/deceive the consumer, but it seems even a judge found that the Galaxy was distinct in its own right and stood up in the name of competition. I'm glad to hear that even a judge could figure this out.

I'm beginning to lose respect for Apple lately with their use of the courts to halt production and importation of products of a competitor, it sounds to me they're only interested in monopolizing the market for smartphones and tablets by quibbling over minor similarities.

[jcalder]

I'm no genius on this subject but generally those who own businesses and have multiple diplomas or degrees generally don't brag about their possessions, how big their houses are, modify company names to derogatory terms (crapple? Wow...) and then proceed to reduce themselves to swearing at people when they've got nothing left. (fuk the mainlanders? Yeah, you sound like a real executive...)

What a joke.

[MasonDoctorJT]

Actually, it does matter what moto wants to charge. That is part of the encumbrance of a FRAND patent. You can't discriminate against another company with what you charge them. Moto wanted them to pay more than their fair share, so now there's a lawsuit. You understand that moto is now being investigated in the US and Europe for exactly this behavior right, outside of Apple lawsuits?

Talk about misinformation.

But, Apple never paid their bill AT ALL, and that is the only reason Moto wants to charge them more. What am I missing here? If I eat food at a restaurant, and don't pay my bill, I'd be getting off easy if I went back to that restaurant and all they wanted me to do was pay for my last mean and this one!

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[ceredon]

But, Apple never paid their bill AT ALL, and that is the only reason Moto wants to charge them more. What am I missing here? If I eat food at a restaurant, and don't pay my bill, I'd be getting off easy if I went back to that restaurant and all they wanted me to do was pay for my last mean and this one!

The particular patents in the case you are referring to were covered when Apple bought parts from Qualcomm, a company that had licensing agreements with Motorola for those patents. Apple used the parts with the expectation that the license Qualcomm used to manufacture the parts covered the part Apple bought as a third party. Just as when you buy a car you don't expect to additionally pay all of the companies that your car manufacturer dealt with and pays royalties to. Moto disagrees, and they may well be right. When they went to Apple they then asked for over 2% of all sales of all related products. That was an insane valuation of their patents, given the standard that are a part of contain some hundreds or thousands of patents. With that valuation, using the patents would mean paying over 100% of a products price into licensing fees if all contributors were equally insane.. A request of 2%+ is at best predatory and very discriminatory, especially given they've already been paid. So, it's a double dip and extortionist rates on FRAND patents on the part of Moto.

A this point it will be up to a judge to decide if Apple is obligated, as a third party beneficiary of the patents and if so, how much. That's the reality.

In the meantime, Motorola is being investigated by the FTC and by the EU commission for this exact behaviour. W

[jarrodpd]

Im talking about the fact that Motorola won a decision to have all apple 4g products to be halted because of the fact that apple stole the way they use 4g. as they do with all their revolutionary new features and claim them as all new from apple. i owned apple for along time. they are now being moved out of my house. done. i have no issue with going another better route that does not charge me extra money for the douchebag tax.

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You're absolutely right apple should be the bigger person and innovate their own network technology that is far more superior to anything else and then patent the hell out of it and launch their own network so they don't have to put up with Verizon, At&T, Sprint, Rogers, Bell, Telus Etc.

[Doolie]

Because, the whole premise of this post was to say apple is better than Samsung tablets. I was simply putting a counter point out there for discussion. The lemmings started in then. Fun for all. Besides, I can sit in my hot tub with my tablet and a beer and enjoy the forum. Ha ha.

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Regardless, people have free will.

Why does that upset you so much that someone would say that an iPad is better than a Samsung device?

Everyone has a right to an opinion.

What was your counter point? I must have missed it. What is so magical about a Samsung device that it is better than an iPad? And that it runs Android OS doesn't count.

[ceredon]

Yep five years in university for my industrial hygine degree is community college...for sure. I want to large size my fries ceredon....thank you, might even leave you a tip.

Just had to put this out there.

Agreed, the new CEO is just as bad a Jim, just in a different way. All Jim was worried about was buying a hockey team, the new CEO is coasting along like nothing is wrong. I don't have a degree or anything but I can get into there and whip that place into shape. I would have the first 10 device, release before Christmas. Then work on new tablets and qwerty devices. Bb has a great set of features, just the people in command are acting like nothing is wrong.

I don't understand what he is thinking.

Take this as a helpful tip from a mainlander, meant to make peace, though it may sound a little harsh: I understand you feel the need to troll. Perhaps you have some issues working for your dad, maybe the kids are a handful, maybe the wife is a nag, maybe you had some problems affording a used iPad for a special needs child, maybe ADD runs in the family, maybe you've had too many Rickard's Red, I don't know. But you shouldn't feel the need to lie. It doesn't help your case and they aren't that difficult to point out. It shows a level of desperation and insecurity and seems to lead to bizarre outbursts of anger when you are found out. Probably best just to chill. Everyone likes what they like. No need for you to try to evangelize the rest of us, especially if it is just going to make you look sort of foolish and will probably lead lead to more lying and anger.

[Earache]

Question...
Isn't OSX based off FreeBSD??

If so didn't Apple break the GNU/GPL licensing agreement when the 1st released their OS??

Where is the source code hmm?? Shouldn't Nintendo sue anyone that makes a "home entertainment system" or portable gaming device??

I was a huge Apple fanboy, but I realized that they literally break license agreements left and right, and they do not create anything on their own..Siri?? Ya sorry Google beat you to it a long time ago. Notification bar?? Ya sorry samething.

I did not know you can patent a shape. Since reading the news about Apple suing Samsung because the Galaxy looked similar, I decide to patent: circles, squares, triangles, octogons, etc. I guess I should just start suing everyone on the planet.

Seriously, they took ideas from other companies and smushed them all together.

Gotta love the fact Apple sues the company that makes so many of their parts. Patent law needs to be re-written, all patents should require a working prototype not a hypothetical idea, at this rate Apple will be able to sue anyone that has an idea.



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Apple free for a year.

[ceredon]

Question...
Isn't OSX based off FreeBSD??

If so didn't Apple break the GNU/GPL licensing agreement when the 1st released their OS??

Nope, fully compliant with the FreeBSD licensing requirements.

Where is the source code hmm?? Shouldn't Nintendo sue anyone that makes a "home entertainment system" or portable gaming device??

Nintendo wasn't even close to being the first, so not sure what your point is here.

I was a huge Apple fanboy, but I realized that they literally break license agreements left and right, and they do not create anything on their own..Siri?? Ya sorry Google beat you to it a long time ago. Notification bar?? Ya sorry samething.

Actually, Apple had patents in voice tech from before Google existed as a company.

I did not know you can patent a shape. Since reading the news about Apple suing Samsung because the Galaxy looked similar, I decide to patent: circles, squares, triangles, octogons, etc. I guess I should just start suing everyone on the planet.

Well, now you know. You certainly can claim physical attributes. They are called Trade Dress patents. Louis Vuitton, Porsche, Nike, etc, will all hold trade dress patents (as will any company involved in design). Just because you were unaware of that fact doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Seriously, they took ideas from other companies and smushed them all together.

yup. Pretty common. The goal is to take those parts and make something better. For some, Apple has done that. For others, google has. But you still need to fulfill your obligations when using IP that belongs to others. That is something the Android vendors are learning.

Gotta love the fact Apple sues the company that makes so many of their parts. Patent law needs to be re-written, all patents should require a working prototype not a hypothetical idea, at this rate Apple will be able to sue anyone that has an idea.

Patent laws definitely need to be re-worked. But do you think Apple is unique in their use of the legal system? Really?

And Samsung being a large parts supplier for Apple hardly gives them permission to borrow without permission from Apple. Business doesn't work like that.

[Earache]

Question...
Isn't OSX based off FreeBSD??

If so didn't Apple break the GNU/GPL licensing agreement when the 1st released their OS??

Where is the source code hmm?? Shouldn't Nintendo sue anyone that makes a "home entertainment system" or portable gaming device??

I was a huge Apple fanboy, but I realized that they literally break license agreements left and right, and they do not create anything on their own..Siri?? Ya sorry Google beat you to it a long time ago. Notification bar?? Ya sorry samething.

I did not know you can patent a shape. Since reading the news about Apple suing Samsung because the Galaxy looked similar, I decide to patent: circles, squares, triangles, octogons, etc. I guess I should just start suing everyone on the planet.

Seriously, they took ideas from other companies and smushed them all together.

Gotta love the fact Apple sues the company that makes so many of their parts. Patent law needs to be re-written, all patents should require a working prototype not a hypothetical idea, at this rate Apple will be able to sue anyone that has an idea.



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Apple free for a year.

Umm if Apple complied with GNU/GPL licensing where is their source code so I can download it??

Dress Trade Patents deal with labeling/patterns/colour (if a designer releases a product with a very distinct colour). Hence why counterfeiters are arrested. I can make an Armani suit using a different pattern and color and not be touch at all (by suit I mean style).

That is true that Apple had a patent long before Google, but IBM has patents that supersedes any Apple voice recognition patent, some are over 30 years old.

I thought patents can be played with as long as the company producing the new product can prove their working model is now a better version (thus the patent is give to the new company).

Apple isn't the nice guy at all. They have never been. I would love to see them sue any Linux distro (I'm thinking of Fedora Gnome, Ubuntu with Gnome, etc). Guess what they can't. Why you ask because they broke the GPL/GNU license agreement when they released OSX and did not provide the source code. FreeBSD complies with GNU/GPL just like any Linux distribution. Now if OSX was written off of UNIX (which its not), then that is a different ball game. Apple would not dare touch the Linux community as they would pretty much own them in court.

Btw Apple uses Launchpad, which was developed by Canonical (and trademarked) long before Apple even decided to "create" it. Guess what, they still use it.
Again Apple uses a touchscreen, guess what the patent is held by IBM, they tried to register the trademark "Multi-touch" and failed.

Instead of trying to push the limits of each other, Apple has started a war. This isn't good for the consumer. If they had their way, there would only be an iPhone, iPod and a iPad. I for one live in the free world and want choice.

Would you be happy with only having the choice of a Ford?

I think Samsung should patent a slim design, then once the iPhone 5 (rumored to be thinner), releases sue them for similarities.

[Earache]

Since when does a phone constitute lower education and lower income?? Is it not a known fact that iPhones are simple. Simple in the sense a monkey could use it? While an Android device has a higher learning curve??

Demographics are statistics and 99% of statistics are ********. Unless you survey every single person on the planet, statistics mean **** all.

Companies uses analytical statistic because they have all their data in front of them. This on the other hand doesn't, as its opinion based. Also where the hell did you get this from?? Source?

[ceredon]

Umm if Apple complied with GNU/GPL licensing where is their source code so I can download it??

try here, here or here

Dress Trade Patents deal with labeling/patterns/colour (if a designer releases a product with a very distinct colour). Hence why counterfeiters are arrested. I can make an Armani suit using a different pattern and color and not be touch at all (by suit I mean style).

Trade dress patents cover any physical attributes or combinations of, that are distinctive or unique.

That is true that Apple had a patent long before Google, but IBM has patents that supersedes any Apple voice recognition patent, some are over 30 years old.

Exactly. Which is why it was ridiculous to say "Ya sorry Google beat you to it a long time ago". And any patents that IBM holds that Apple is using will be covered by an agreements between Apple and IBM.

I thought patents can be played with as long as the company producing the new product can prove their working model is now a better version (thus the patent is give to the new company).

Wow. You really thought that. You thought wrong. Improving upon an existing patent doesn't give you rights to the existing patent. It gives you rights to patent the improvments.

Apple isn't the nice guy at all. They have never been. I would love to see them sue any Linux distro (I'm thinking of Fedora Gnome, Ubuntu with Gnome, etc). Guess what they can't. Why you ask because they broke the GPL/GNU license agreement when they released OSX and did not provide the source code. FreeBSD complies with GNU/GPL just like any Linux distribution. Now if OSX was written off of UNIX (which its not), then that is a different ball game. Apple would not dare touch the Linux community as they would pretty much own them in court.

Who said Apple needed to be the nice guys? What does Linux have to do with anything here? What are you talking about?

Btw Apple uses Launchpad, which was developed by Canonical (and trademarked) long before Apple even decided to "create" it. Guess what, they still use it.
Again Apple uses a touchscreen, guess what the patent is held by IBM, they tried to register the trademark "Multi-touch" and failed.

You mention 2 trademarks, which have nothing to do with patents. And again, if Apple's displays uses IBM patents, then they or their display vendors will have an agreement with IBM. That's the way patents work.

Instead of trying to push the limits of each other, Apple has started a war. This isn't good for the consumer. If they had their way, there would only be an iPhone, iPod and a iPad. I for one live in the free world and want choice.

Factually incorrect again. Apple didn't sue another mobile phone company until they were first sued by Nokia. Only then did they take the gloves off.

Would you be happy with only having the choice of a Ford?

No but I would be less happy if everyother car manufacturer ripped off Ford's patents.

I think Samsung should patent a slim design, then once the iPhone 5 (rumored to be thinner), releases sue them for similarities.

They should certainly try, but they would have to demonstrate that their design is somehow distinctive or unique. Given Samsungs history of design, that might be difficult. I wish them luck.