Since when does a phone constitute lower education and lower income?? Is it not a known fact that iPhones are simple. Simple in the sense a monkey could use it? While an Android device has a higher learning curve??
That actually says a lot. Given simplicity is a design goal and take much more thought to implement, perhaps those that are more intelligent appreciate that more that others.
Originally Posted by Earache
Demographics are statistics and 99% of statistics are ********. Unless you survey every single person on the planet, statistics mean **** all.
Companies uses analytical statistic because they have all their data in front of them. This on the other hand doesn't, as its opinion based. Also where the hell did you get this from?? Source?
Demographic studies are more for general trends and certainly shouldn't be taken too seriously or used to make assumptions about a group as a whole. I usually bring it up because Android fanatics almost always fit the demo and never have an intelligent response.
In any event, just use google. Search for Apple android demographics. You'll find numerous surveys and studies. Don't take them too seriously and don't let them make you feel badly. They are best looked at as informative entertainment.
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Dress Trade Patents deal with labeling/patterns/colour (if a designer releases a product with a very distinct colour). Hence why counterfeiters are arrested. I can make an Armani suit using a different pattern and color and not be touch at all (by suit I mean style).
Trade dress is actually trademark law not patent law. The pattern of a suit is more likely to be protected under trademark (i.e. Louis Vuitton)
The term you are looking for (in the US) is a design patent. Under US law, design patents protect "the ornamental design of a functional item." That is what Apple has enforced against Samsung (and courts in the EU said the Xoom didn't infringe).
Trade dress is actually trademark law not patent law. The pattern of a suit is more likely to be protected under trademark (i.e. Louis Vuitton)
The term you are looking for (in the US) is a design patent. Under US law, design patents protect "the ornamental design of a functional item." That is what Apple has enforced against Samsung (and courts in the EU said the Xoom didn't infringe).
So why is "patent" in play rather than 'trademark" which to me makes more sense.
Because Apple has a design patent for the iPad. It protects the industrial design (i.e. look and shape of the iPad). This makes the argument in court much easier for Apple. To trademark just the shape is much harder. Trademarking is much more appropriate for a logo.
If so didn't Apple break the GNU/GPL licensing agreement when the 1st released their OS??
Where is the source code hmm?? Shouldn't Nintendo sue anyone that makes a "home entertainment system" or portable gaming device??
I was a huge Apple fanboy, but I realized that they literally break license agreements left and right, and they do not create anything on their own..Siri?? Ya sorry Google beat you to it a long time ago. Notification bar?? Ya sorry samething.
I did not know you can patent a shape. Since reading the news about Apple suing Samsung because the Galaxy looked similar, I decide to patent: circles, squares, triangles, octogons, etc. I guess I should just start suing everyone on the planet.
Seriously, they took ideas from other companies and smushed them all together.
Gotta love the fact Apple sues the company that makes so many of their parts. Patent law needs to be re-written, all patents should require a working prototype not a hypothetical idea, at this rate Apple will be able to sue anyone that has an idea.
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I was a huge Apple fanboy, but I realized that they literally break license agreements left and right, and they do not create anything on their own..Siri?? Ya sorry Google beat you to it a long time ago. Notification bar?? Ya sorry samething.
I did not know you can patent a shape. Since reading the news about Apple suing Samsung because the Galaxy looked similar, I decide to patent: circles, squares, triangles, octogons, etc. I guess I should just start suing everyone on the planet.
Seriously, they took ideas from other companies and smushed them all together.
Gotta love the fact Apple sues the company that makes so many of their parts. Patent law needs to be re-written, all patents should require a working prototype not a hypothetical idea, at this rate Apple will be able to sue anyone that has an idea.
+1000
that's how desperate patent trolls like apple work. they 'patent' vague ideas that are worded in such a way as to apply to anything.
there are amoebas in my house that are more innovative than apple
My family owned a clothing factory (closed due to people prefering crappy off the rack suits vs custom made). If the "design patent" as you described were true we wouldn't have a business nor would many other companies. Armani, and a few other "high end" designers called us and inquired about manufacturing suits for them that resembled theirs (different fabris but same style).
Your demographic comment was used to state that Android users are less intelligent and make less, would you care to go to Asia or Europe hold a conference and say that publicly? In that case any that uses Apple products must be gay because the demographics show it.
I hope Apple loses all kinds of court cases and gets sued left and right by everyone. "Retina display" lol. How about calling it what it really is? Higher resolution. Why must they take current hardware and coin their own term.
Whatever, I really don't care for Apple at all any more. Their devices are locked down worse then Fort Knox (yes I know I have a BB). I do not care for anything Apple. All the suing MS years back bit them in the *** and now they work out deals.
I'm glad they don't even make a dent in the desktop world.
My .02. A patent on a rectangle makes no sense. To me the UK judge got it right. For comparison, what applies to a Coke bottle? They obviously did something distinctive so Pepsi and RC did something else. That doesn't parallel the ipad. The other items y'all were talking about, Vuitton, etc, what do they have? I would imagine that those cases are distinctive.
My family owned a clothing factory (closed due to people prefering crappy off the rack suits vs custom made). If the "design patent" as you described were true we wouldn't have a business nor would many other companies. Armani, and a few other "high end" designers called us and inquired about manufacturing suits for them that resembled theirs (different fabris but same style).
If Armani asked you to produce their suits, that wouldn't be a violation, no would it?
Originally Posted by Earache
Your demographic comment was used to state that Android users are less intelligent and make less, would you care to go to Asia or Europe hold a conference and say that publicly? In that case any that uses Apple products must be gay because the demographics show it.
Nope, never said it applied to all, just that the demo trends that way. You couldn't use that to say all Android users are low intelligence, just that the trend is there. Similarly you couldn't say all Apple users were gay, even if they trend was there. See how logic works?
Originally Posted by Earache
I hope Apple loses all kinds of court cases and gets sued left and right by everyone. "Retina display" lol. How about calling it what it really is? Higher resolution. Why must they take current hardware and coin their own term.
Umm, so now you are hating on them for naming a feature? That is a little pathetic.
Originally Posted by Earache
Whatever, I really don't care for Apple at all any more. Their devices are locked down worse then Fort Knox (yes I know I have a BB). I do not care for anything Apple. All the suing MS years back bit them in the *** and now they work out deals.
And that is great that is your choice. Best to make informed choices, however. Don't make up reasons to hate them, I am sure there are many reasons that are real. Also, MS still sues companies. They are actually suing some of the same companies that Apple is suing for similar reasons.
Originally Posted by Earache
I'm glad they don't even make a dent in the desktop world.
Well, that non-existent dent is growing every year. Counting the PC and laptop sales that are going instead to the iPad, the dent is very significant even today.
that's how desperate patent trolls like apple work. they 'patent' vague ideas that are worded in such a way as to apply to anything.
there are amoebas in my house that are more innovative than apple
There are companies that their sole premise is to patent as much as they can, then sue everyone that uses it, even though they do not make revenue from it nor have a working model.
Apple is being to smell like one of these companies. Google acquisition of Motorola Mobility (I think that is the division name) was to protect the companies that use Android from Apple. The A6 cpu that Apple uses, if not mistaken if made by Samsung, Apple just forks the changes to them.
It would be extremely difficult for either company to break their partnership as the both benefit from each other. Apple is suing them because Samsung is slowly eating their market share, the SGSIII had an estimated 9 million pre-orders (apple sold 4 million 4s' in 4 days). Why did Apple file in the US to block sales of it? I wonder why.
Why not turn to Samsung in closed doors, work out a royalties deal (since they both steal from each other), and stfu, why can MS do this with everyone but Apple doesn't??
Let's see what the iPhone 5 will look like because we all know Samsung, Motorola,HTC et al have 4". And above screens. Should be fun.
that's how desperate patent trolls like apple work. they 'patent' vague ideas that are worded in such a way as to apply to anything.
there are amoebas in my house that are more innovative than apple
Then you are obviously not actually familiar with what the term 'patent troll' actual means.
If Armani asked you to produce their suits, that wouldn't be a violation, no would it?
Nope, never said it applied to all, just that the demo trends that way. You couldn't use that to say all Android users are low intelligence, just that the trend is there. Similarly you couldn't say all Apple users were gay, even if they trend was there. See how logic works?
Umm, so now you are hating on them for naming a feature? That is a little pathetic.
And that is great that is your choice. Best to make informed choices, however. Don't make up reasons to hate them, I am sure there are many reasons that are real. Also, MS still sues companies. They are actually suing some of the same companies that Apple is suing for similar reasons.
Well, that non-existent dent is growing every year. Counting the PC and laptop sales that are going instead to the iPad, the dent is very significant even today.
Your arrogance is astounding, but what would I expect from someone that exemplifies the culture Apple wants.
MS is suing for royalties not bans. Huge difference. I hate apple because of people like you.
Seriously non-existent dent? Are you blind? Android controls something like 60% of the smartphone market and its growing. It may be the other way around here, but that's the simple fact that North Americas are trendsters.
I'm done that sole comment was unnecessary, should you be working on developing Siri(not for Apple)??
There are companies that their sole premise is to patent as much as they can, then sue everyone that uses it, even though they do not make revenue from it nor have a working model.
That is the correct definition of a patent troll. How does Apple fit that mold? Last time I check, they make and sell products. Many of them in fact.
Unlike actual patent trolls, Apple doesn't make any substantial money from their patent litigation even when successful. Overall it is a money loser in direct numbers.
Originally Posted by Earache
Apple is being to smell like one of these companies. Google acquisition of Motorola Mobility (I think that is the division name) was to protect the companies that use Android from Apple. The A6 cpu that Apple uses, if not mistaken if made by Samsung, Apple just forks the changes to them.
Apple doesn't use anything called an A6, though the next gen probably will.
Apple, like Samsung, uses their own derivatives of the ARM family of CPU's. In fact Apple, along with ACORN, founded the ARM company. All ARM based CPU's are derived from ARM, by definition. Samsung adds some builds them and licenses it out. Apple works with them and others and adds their own improvements and customizations. And you are probably very right about why google bought motorola. Too bad all the lawsuits moto launched prior to the acquisition are still going forward I guess.
Originally Posted by Earache
It would be extremely difficult for either company to break their partnership as the both benefit from each other. Apple is suing them because Samsung is slowly eating their market share, the SGSIII had an estimated 9 million pre-orders (apple sold 4 million 4s' in 4 days). Why did Apple file in the US to block sales of it? I wonder why.
They sued before Samsung had any real success. They also sued over the Galaxy line of tablets which has been an abysmal failure, so it isn't only because of Samsung's success (which has been notable). In fact a very strong argument could be made that a big reason for Samsung's success has been the publicity they received because of the lawsuits.
Is it so hard to believe that Apple is suing because they feel work and research that they performed and paid for and protected is begin used by others to profit?
Originally Posted by Earache
Why not turn to Samsung in closed doors, work out a royalties deal (since they both steal from each other), and stfu, why can MS do this with everyone but Apple doesn't??
Apparently before a single lawsuit was filed by Apple against Samsung, Jobs did sit down with Samsung execs. They were unable to come to an agreement. http://www.theverge.com/2012/3/22/28...ns-2010-patent
So, Apple did in fact meet Samsung behind closed doors. But that's still Apple's fault, right?
Your arrogance is astounding, but what would I expect from someone that exemplifies the culture Apple wants.
Arrogance? It called being informed. You have made and continue to make multiple factually inaccurate statements. I am correcting them for you. That's isn't ignorant. It's actually being very considerate.
Originally Posted by Earache
MS is suing for royalties not bans. Huge difference. I hate apple because of people like you.
Umm, wrong again. MS is suing to have injunctions on sales, just as Apple is. MS has and is suing Moto, salesforce, barnes and noble and others, all for sales 'bans'. I'll leave it to you to search for these cases. They are not at all hard to find.
I am sorry the facts bother you so much. Would you prefer to stay uninformed?
Originally Posted by Earache
Seriously non-existent dent? Are you blind? Android controls something like 60% of the smartphone market and its growing. It may be the other way around here, but that's the simple fact that North Americas are trendsters.
Um you're the one that said Apple made no dent in the PC world. That was just another incorrect statement. Meanwhile, I never, ever claimed that Android has made not dent in the smartphone market. That would be an inaccurate statement. Why would I possibly say that? What was your point here?
Originally Posted by Earache
I'm done that sole comment was unnecessary, should you be working on developing Siri(not for Apple)??
Ok, I'll admit, I have no idea what you are trying to say here.
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