Elop is at it again

**droptopdown** · 07-19-2012, 08:19 AM

After getting rid of quite a bit of the company, Elop is now blaming Nokia for missing out on the iPhone, and talking about selling some of the wreckage of the "burning platform". WSJ 7-19, front page.

While I think we all know Nokia missed out on many opportunities and had serious concept/execution issues, I don't think Elop can dodge the responsibility for destroying what was still a good company, no matter how many interviews he gives. The 808 is a good example of what could have been (over a year ago) if the Microkia alliance hadn't have been formed.

The problem now is that there is no way to back up. Most of the folks working on Meego and such are now looking for jobs (or already found them). By the time the dust settles, Microsoft will probably have to buy Nokia to prevent four guys from Howard Forums deciding to take them private with their lunch money...

**Tsepz_GP** · 07-21-2012, 10:31 AM

Never thought i'd see the day when Nokia trades at below $2/share ,Elop has raped it.

Symbian and MeeGo were just fine, all they had to do was make great mid to low end Symbians, and some groundbreaking MeeGo flagships, they had the resources, they had the brand awareness, they had the loyal customers (100s of millions of them!!!!), and they had the know-how, ALL OF IT WASTED.

Its a damn shame.

**dutchtender** · 07-21-2012, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by POLO_011

Never thought i'd see the day when Nokia trades at below $2/share ,Elop has raped it.

Symbian and MeeGo were just fine, all they had to do was make great mid to low end Symbians, and some groundbreaking MeeGo flagships, they had the resources, they had the brand awareness, they had the loyal customers (100s of millions of them!!!!), and they had the know-how, ALL OF IT WASTED.

Its a damn shame.

except they couldn't do even this. the symbian phones they were making were junk. sure if you love to tinker, as any fan of symbian would, you could invest hours upon hours into making it usable. but the next phase of growth in the smart phone business was going to come from regular non tinkering consumers. and symbian was a bad product to offer them. the problem with Nokia is that by the time Elop came around, it was essentially on a doomed course because of the terrible predecessor management. The Finnish management are responsible for putting Nokia where they are due to their "head in the sand" management by commitee. Elop is now there to clean up the mess and take all the slings and arrows. If the Finns kept on their present course they would have bankrupted Nokia. Now it has a fighting change because Elop made the tough decisions to change off the disastrous course it was on.

**mch** · 07-21-2012, 11:56 AM

For years, I carried both a Nokia phone and a Blackberry. Now, it's an iPhone and an Android.

Times change. Too bad, Nokia had a great product line for the time.

Personally, I think Nokia should have just gone with Android. They could have distinguished themselves by offering typically excellent Nokia hardware, a Nokia UI, and still benefited from a huge app ecosystem. The app ecosystem matters so much now - Windows Phone just isn't there. Meego wouldn't have been either. As much as I loved my N900/Maemo and probably would have loved Meego - the writing was on the wall.

Nokia could have developed excellent premium Android phones - they could easily have blown Samsung and HTC out of the water in terms of hardware quality.

I am imagining something like the Pureview 808, with Android 4, and a faster processor. I'd buy that. I'd pay quite a bit for it.

**mrstarr** · 07-21-2012, 12:30 PM

jay leno still uses a nokia phone. at least thats what he said last night.

**mch** · 07-21-2012, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by dutchtender

except they couldn't do even this. the symbian phones they were making were junk. sure if you love to tinker, as any fan of symbian would, you could invest hours upon hours into making it usable. but the next phase of growth in the smart phone business was going to come from regular non tinkering consumers. and symbian was a bad product to offer them. the problem with Nokia is that by the time Elop came around, it was essentially on a doomed course because of the terrible predecessor management. The Finnish management are responsible for putting Nokia where they are due to their "head in the sand" management by commitee. Elop is now there to clean up the mess and take all the slings and arrows. If the Finns kept on their present course they would have bankrupted Nokia. Now it has a fighting change because Elop made the tough decisions to change off the disastrous course it was on.

This I agree with. I do think Android would have been a better gamble than Windows Phone because of the huge app ecosystem, but time will tell. It wouldn't be the first time I have been wrong.

**migo** · 08-09-2012, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by mch

This I agree with. I do think Android would have been a better gamble than Windows Phone because of the huge app ecosystem, but time will tell. It wouldn't be the first time I have been wrong.

No, Android wouldn't have worked. Only Samsung is making any money off it. They're top dog in Android, Nokia's top dog in Windows Phone. The fact that Microsoft is going to throw as much money as necessary to succeed means Nokia will be brought along.

RIM considered Android as well and decided it was a bad course.

**AM Radio** · 07-25-2012, 02:14 PM

why didn't Nokia pull an HTC/Samsung and offer both ecosystems?

when you see what those two companies have done with Android in particular, it's hard not to imagine what a dual-core or quad-core Android phone with high-def clearblack display and class-leading optics by Nokia would have been like.

**dutchtender** · 07-26-2012, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by AM Radio

why didn't Nokia pull an HTC/Samsung and offer both ecosystems?

when you see what those two companies have done with Android in particular, it's hard not to imagine what a dual-core or quad-core Android phone with high-def clearblack display and class-leading optics by Nokia would have been like.

msft wanted an exclusive and paid for it. however, NOK should have done what you suggest. Maybe they are working on Android in some back room. The one mistake Elop made, and it was a biggie, was writing the burning platform memo. if he had one do over, that would be it.

**Demati** · 07-26-2012, 07:02 AM

If I remember correctly Nokia received a huge "subsidy" from Microsoft to develop Windows Phones. I'm sure that may have alot to do with them not making Android devices.

That being said Meego is absolutely wonderful. It would have been a perfect platform to get behind. Any time I use an Android I think about how much more I prefer my N9. Hopefully Jolla will capture that brilliance as well.

**dutchtender** · 07-26-2012, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by Demati

If I remember correctly Nokia received a huge "subsidy" from Microsoft to develop Windows Phones. I'm sure that may have alot to do with them not making Android devices.

That being said Meego is absolutely wonderful. It would have been a perfect platform to get behind. Any time I use an Android I think about how much more I prefer my N9. Hopefully Jolla will capture that brilliance as well.

Elop actually tried to get RIMM to adopt Meego so they could have the muscle to establish it as a third ecosystem. when rimm said NO, elop figured that Meego would not establish itself and went knocking on Microsoft and Google's door. MSFT was more "welcoming".

**neopin** · 07-29-2012, 07:14 AM

Nokia hardware is much better than Samsung, HTC and Motorola. When they will throw out Etop and his boss Microsoft they will make Androids.

**ORK** · 08-09-2012, 02:58 PM

In which way Nokia h/w is better than competition? They mostly have relatively crappy screens and camera quality is average at best.
And in general Nokias are bigger and heavier than competition. People want thin and light elegant looking phones, not those bricks that Nokia produced.

I think that if Nokia hardware was indeed as good as it is claimed, Nokia wouldn't be where it is now. They haven't made anything worth mentioning since Nokia N95/N82.

I remember excuses, such as "oh, you can't have good camera in thin phone", well, iphone 4/4s and SGS3/4 prove that yes, we can.
Look at Lumia 900, it is fat and heavy and camera sucks, btw, same camera as in Lumia 800 which i was stupid enough to buy..

And what kind of idiot dicided to chose WP over Android? Nokias were extremely popular in Russia, and bluetooth file sharing is very popular here too. Guess will people buy these new Nokias in same quantaties as they used too? Same situation in many other huge traditionally strong for Nokia markets (India, Middle east).

**terre08** · 08-09-2012, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by ORK

In which way Nokia h/w is better than competition? They mostly have relatively crappy screens and camera quality is average at best.
And in general Nokias are bigger and heavier than competition. People want thin and light elegant looking phones, not those bricks that Nokia produced.

I think that if Nokia hardware was indeed as good as it is claimed, Nokia wouldn't be where it is now. They haven't made anything worth mentioning since Nokia N95/N82.

I remember excuses, such as "oh, you can't have good camera in thin phone", well, iphone 4/4s and SGS3/4 prove that yes, we can.
Look at Lumia 900, it is fat and heavy and camera sucks, btw, same camera as in Lumia 800 which i was stupid enough to buy..

And what kind of idiot dicided to chose WP over Android? Nokias were extremely popular in Russia, and bluetooth file sharing is very popular here too. Guess will people buy these new Nokias in same quantaties as they used too? Same situation in many other huge traditionally strong for Nokia markets (India, Middle east).

"camera quality is average at best"

Are you for real, the N8 and the 808 blows away the competition!

**ORK** · 08-10-2012, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by terre08

"camera quality is average at best"

Are you for real, the N8 and the 808 blows away the competition!

You missed the part about bricks.
And i personally think that N8 camera is way too overhyped, it's only good, but it doesn't really blow competion away. In fact many times i saw opposite, that it lost to last years iphone 4 or sgs2.