Would you screw Rogers to get out of a contract? To what extent?

**WorldIRC** · 07-19-2012, 01:20 PM

There have been some heated debates inching around this topic, so I figure it may be beneficial to have the conversation; provided everyone can remain mature about it and refrain from personal attacks (which are a bannable offence as per forum rules)

If provided the legal opportunity to do so, would anyone screw Rogers to get out of a contract. Would you feel bad about "screwing" over Rogers to get out of said contacts. Moral issues if any?

This thread should be limited to opinions on the matter and not related to specific situations that you may currently have (there is a section for that).

Screw Over - using any tactic (legal or not) available to reduce / remove applicable cancellation fees. Basically, commit any action that'll result in Rogers not collecting their ECFs..or using their own policies against them to achieve this (e.g., convincing a number swap then TOR, convincing a plan renewal, using a contractual technicality (like lack of signature / proof of establishment), etc...

**some-gei** · 07-19-2012, 01:51 PM

Good lord no (I would NOT feel bad). I like to think I'm a "good customer" - ie I patron stores/companies that may cost more, but I feel provide above-and-beyond service. I leave positive reviews on Yelp and other sites... I tip well, etc etc.

However where Robellus is concerned, it is simply war. Rogers Bell and Telus colluded for years to increase cellular rates for customers, knowing they were the only option out there. Same goes for Rogers and their cable services.

I have absolutely no issue whatsoever screwing Rogers over as it seems they are intent on doing the same to their customers.

A month ago my cable bill arbitrarily increased by about $25 per month. I called in to inquire why, and after literally 1 hour on hold, the rep came back and said it was indeed an error, and they would credit my bill the difference.

Not to mention the notice on my bill the month before that about my BB data being taken away - even though it didn't happen. Imagine how many people switched to more expensive plans for less data, simply because they were told they "had" to. IMO this amounts to fraud.

At the moment I'm getting a particular service for free - ie a billing error in my favour. A pretty significant one at that. It's the first time that has EVER happened during my tenure as a Rogers customer. You can be sure I won't be calling in to correct it any time soon.

**ceredon** · 07-19-2012, 02:21 PM

As long as I had reasonable grounds to feel I should be let out of the contract, then I don't feel I would be screwing them over by fighting to get out. By reasonable grounds, I mean if they were to change the terms of our agreement, increase my costs beyond what was agreed to or were unable to provide the services they committed to provide as a part of out agreement, amongst other reasons. The alternative, in that case, would to be allow Rogers to screw me out of some misplace feeling of loyalty or obligation to continue our relationship.

I would not, for example, try to get out just because I could get a better deal elsewhere. Having said all of that, I would have no issue with putting myself into a position where it would make it easier for me to terminate when conditions do mandate the end of our relationship, for example by having them renew my contract with no hardware.

**z24gta** · 07-19-2012, 02:34 PM

Since when is Rogers a moral company, they will screw the customer any chance they get. Their is no shame when they put someone on a contract without a subsidy.

**TotalDistinction** · 07-19-2012, 03:17 PM

If Rogers had the "legal opportunity" to screw me as the customer, they would. It should be no different the other way around and I would without hesitation, moral or not.

**jcalder** · 07-19-2012, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by some-gei

At the moment I'm getting a particular service for free - ie a billing error in my favour. A pretty significant one at that. It's the first time that has EVER happened during my tenure as a Rogers customer. You can be sure I won't be calling in to correct it any time soon.

This is the kind of "moral" thing that some people take issue with. When they change things or make an error that costs you money, you're on the phone screaming foul play. When the shoe is on the other foot you hide and hope they don't notice because you're the one benefitting.

Say whatever you like, regardless if Rogers (or anyone else for that matter) is "in the wrong" for whatever the most recent accusation is, if you're getting a service that you're not paying for, you're essentially stealing from them.

But if it's in your favor, it's ok because of all the past alleged wrong-doings, right?

Gotta love double standards.

However if you're legally getting out of a contract then nobody is getting "screwed over".

**D Mac** · 07-19-2012, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by WorldIRC

There have been some heated debates inching around this topic, so I figure it may be beneficial to have the conversation; provided everyone can remain mature about it and refrain from personal attacks (which are a bannable offence as per forum rules)

If provided the legal opportunity to do so, would anyone feel bad about "screwing" over Rogers to get out of their contacts. Moral issues if any?

This thread should be limited to opinions on the matter and not related to specific situations that you may currently have (there is a section for that).

Rogers specifically? No, not any more so or less so than any other company in the world.

However generally speaking, yes. Don't agree to the contract if you don't agree to it and aren't willing to uphold your end of the agreement (or to pay the cancellation if you regret your decision). Now that being said it, of course, goes both ways. If Rogers doesn't uphold their end of the agreement then you should be allowed out of the contract for that reason (as happened in the thread you originally asked this question).

**msavic6** · 07-19-2012, 03:33 PM

I would , and how they say "Stick it to the Man"

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**bubble.tea** · 07-19-2012, 03:41 PM

Define screwing over?

Are you saying, using their policies against themselves and thereby getting out of a contract or supposed overage charge? then yes, I certainly would.

Are you saying doing something actually illegal? I would certainly never engage in anything illegal.

Call me crazy but a poll thread is usually great when there's a...poll?

**D Mac** · 07-19-2012, 03:43 PM

Comment recalled, removed & redacted.

**WorldIRC** · 07-19-2012, 03:48 PM

^I fixed the OP.

**D Mac** · 07-19-2012, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by z24gta

Since when is Rogers a moral company, they will screw the customer any chance they get. Their is no shame when they put someone on a contract without a subsidy.

Just to clarify if you manage to get a contract with no subsidy then your cancellation fee is only $12.50. That is why there has been many posts from people asking how they can manage to get Rogers to allow them to get on a new contract with no subsidy. I wish Rogers would allow me to get on a contract with no subsidy.

Yes, I realize you were probably referring to the past where policies were different.

**WorldIRC** · 07-19-2012, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by bubble.tea

Define screwing over?

Are you saying, using their policies against themselves and thereby getting out of a contract or supposed overage charge? then yes, I certainly would.

Are you saying doing something actually illegal? I would certainly never engage in anything illegal.

Call me crazy but a poll thread is usually great when there's a...poll?

Stop over-analyzing; you know what the thread is trying to establish

**WorldIRC** · 07-19-2012, 03:49 PM

Screw Over - using any tactic (legal or not) available to reduce / remove applicable cancellation fees. Basically, commit any action that'll result in Rogers not collecting their ECFs..or using their own policies against them to achieve this (e.g., convincing a number swap then TOR, convincing a plan renewal, using a contractual technicality (like lack of signature / proof of establishment), etc...

**DataDude** · 07-19-2012, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by jcalder

This is the kind of "moral" thing that some people take issue with. When they change things or make an error that costs you money, you're on the phone screaming foul play. When the shoe is on the other foot you hide and hope they don't notice because you're the one benefitting.

Say whatever you like, regardless if Rogers (or anyone else for that matter) is "in the wrong" for whatever the most recent accusation is, if you're getting a service that you're not paying for, you're essentially stealing from them.

But if it's in your favor, it's ok because of all the past alleged wrong-doings, right?

Gotta love double standards.

However if you're legally getting out of a contract then nobody is getting "screwed over".

Can you point out one recent thread here where someone was getting something for free by mistake and thought it was okay? I'm pretty sure that in fact there haven't been any such threads but prove me wrong.