Anyone waiting on Note 2 for possible AWS?

[X-Nemesis]

I love the idea of the Note 2 for AWS and would really love it if it came available before the new promo plans expired at the end of September. Anybody else waiting on the Note 2 for Wind?

[xtachx]

Waiting for note 2 here ... don't care about aws

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[Mr Mystery]

Waiting for note 2 here ... don't care about aws

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Ditto

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[icemasta]

AWS LTE, we will definitely see for the Big 3 LTE networks but AWS HSPA, I doubt it. T-Mobile just officially released the original Galaxy Note, so unless you want to wait another year then sure. Otherwise we can hope we will be able to flash an AWS radio to the Note 2 like it was possible on the original Note.

[brownk2j]

Waiting for this to drop and see it as a possible replacement for my GNex, but as stated above the fact that TMo is going ahead with a Note 1 launch this late seems to imply the Note 2 will exclude AWS HSPA.

Unless Sammy surprises us in a few weeks, I doubt we'll see a WIND compatible model before the new year. On the bright side, this allows time for a comparison with the Nexus IV.

[xtachx]

AWS LTE, we will definitely see for the Big 3 LTE networks but AWS HSPA, I doubt it. T-Mobile just officially released the original Galaxy Note, so unless you want to wait another year then sure. Otherwise we can hope we will be able to flash an AWS radio to the Note 2 like it was possible on the original Note.

What is the point? AWS is doomed already. T-Mobile is switching to AWS LTE and 1900 Mhz HSPA+ for their iphone. When T-Mobile switches, AWS HSPA will be dead. Wind still refuses to go LTE after all this. Its not exactly samsung's fault that everyone but wind is gearing up for LTE.

[sluma]

What is the point? AWS is doomed already. T-Mobile is switching to AWS LTE and 1900 Mhz HSPA+ for their iphone. When T-Mobile switches, AWS HSPA will be dead. Wind still refuses to go LTE after all this. Its not exactly samsung's fault that everyone but wind is gearing up for LTE.

Let's actually wait and see what they do when the auction comes before we start saying "The Sky is falling". Not bidding for the AWS is the biggest bonehead move a company can make.

[xtachx]

Let's actually wait and see what they do when the auction comes before we start saying "The Sky is falling". Not bidding for the AWS is the biggest bonehead move a company can make.

You mean not bidding for LTE?

You see I have a problem with this entire LTE thing. I have travelled to many countries, and many of them use 2100Mhz for 3G and 1800 for 2G. I have never seen a network as bad as wind/mobi. Granted that these networks are "new" and all, but really even "new" networks are rarely this bad in quality. Quite an achievement actually.

All those 1700 Mhz is weak for interior etc are FUD. Complete bull. Ok maybe technically they are right, but the information they are spreading is incomplete. How does ALL these networks using 2100Mhz 3G and 2300 Mhz LTE give service indoors? Magic?

The simple answer is that wind/mobi are probably inept at managing a network. They do not invest enough money on the network. For example, WIND spend $700 million on its tiny network in 5 cities. Telus is spending $800 million for LTE in ontario alone. But look at Telus LTE vs Wind HSPA. You still want me to believe that WIND is very efficient? You need to spend more money to make money.


I am afraid that wind/mobi will make their 700Mhz network JUST AS POOR as their AWS network. They will find a new excuse next time.

[OCZ]

You mean not bidding for LTE?

You see I have a problem with this entire LTE thing. I have travelled to many countries, and many of them use 2100Mhz for 3G and 1800 for 2G. I have never seen a network as bad as wind/mobi. Granted that these networks are "new" and all, but really even "new" networks are rarely this bad in quality. Quite an achievement actually.

All those 1700 Mhz is weak for interior etc are FUD. Complete bull. Ok maybe technically they are right, but the information they are spreading is incomplete. How does ALL these networks using 2100Mhz 3G and 2300 Mhz LTE give service indoors? Magic?

The simple answer is that wind/mobi are probably inept at managing a network. They do not invest enough money on the network. For example, WIND spend $700 million on its tiny network in 5 cities. Telus is spending $800 million for LTE in ontario alone. But look at Telus LTE vs Wind HSPA. You still want me to believe that WIND is very efficient? You need to spend more money to make money.


I am afraid that wind/mobi will make their 700Mhz network JUST AS POOR as their AWS network. They will find a new excuse next time.

my thoughts exactly!!!

[will888]

You mean not bidding for LTE?

You see I have a problem with this entire LTE thing. I have travelled to many countries, and many of them use 2100Mhz for 3G and 1800 for 2G. I have never seen a network as bad as wind/mobi. Granted that these networks are "new" and all, but really even "new" networks are rarely this bad in quality. Quite an achievement actually.

All those 1700 Mhz is weak for interior etc are FUD. Complete bull. Ok maybe technically they are right, but the information they are spreading is incomplete. How does ALL these networks using 2100Mhz 3G and 2300 Mhz LTE give service indoors? Magic?

The simple answer is that wind/mobi are probably inept at managing a network. They do not invest enough money on the network. For example, WIND spend $700 million on its tiny network in 5 cities. Telus is spending $800 million for LTE in ontario alone. But look at Telus LTE vs Wind HSPA. You still want me to believe that WIND is very efficient? You need to spend more money to make money.


I am afraid that wind/mobi will make their 700Mhz network JUST AS POOR as their AWS network. They will find a new excuse next time.

couldn't agree more. Mobilicity spent an entire year on densification and produced immeasurable results. I live in the middle of the GTA and wind can't give me a useful signal at home, not even in the yard. Maybe the best thing is to let robellus win all the 700 MHz spectrum because they might actually put it to good use.

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[killer007]

hhahahaha @.@ but where do they get that much money from?
ppl are only willing to pay them $40 and under a month

[fido2004]

Everyone says in Europe 2100 3G has excellent indoor coverage.

And It's a fact that Europes networks in terms of voice quality and coverage are far superior to Robellus.

When I have used Three network in Uk, which only has a 2100 3G network.
I have often found that I can have fulll bars outside and barely 1 when I go through the door into a building.
So frequency does have quite a big affect.

On the other networks they have 900 and 1800 gsm to fall back on.

I have also noticed that 1800 gsm seems to have very good indoor coverage but holding a call on 1 bar or sometimes 2 bars of gsm is difficult.

Whereas on 3G it does not penetrate buildings aswell but you can easily hold a call on 1 bar and use data reasonably well



So despite their dense

[sluma]

You mean not bidding for LTE?

You see I have a problem with this entire LTE thing. I have travelled to many countries, and many of them use 2100Mhz for 3G and 1800 for 2G. I have never seen a network as bad as wind/mobi. Granted that these networks are "new" and all, but really even "new" networks are rarely this bad in quality. Quite an achievement actually.

All those 1700 Mhz is weak for interior etc are FUD. Complete bull. Ok maybe technically they are right, but the information they are spreading is incomplete. How does ALL these networks using 2100Mhz 3G and 2300 Mhz LTE give service indoors? Magic?

The simple answer is that wind/mobi are probably inept at managing a network. They do not invest enough money on the network. For example, WIND spend $700 million on its tiny network in 5 cities. Telus is spending $800 million for LTE in ontario alone. But look at Telus LTE vs Wind HSPA. You still want me to believe that WIND is very efficient? You need to spend more money to make money.


I am afraid that wind/mobi will make their 700Mhz network JUST AS POOR as their AWS network. They will find a new excuse next time.

Wind is most likely not deploying their network properly. However go to the T-mobile forum and you will see very similar threads to wind about how their coverage sucks and only works in some cities. I as merely pointing to the fact that there is no logic in boycotting a future technology, they might as well close shop now and leave if that was their true intention.

[torontocolin]

What is the point? AWS is doomed already. T-Mobile is switching to AWS LTE and 1900 Mhz HSPA+ for their iphone. When T-Mobile switches, AWS HSPA will be dead. Wind still refuses to go LTE after all this. Its not exactly samsung's fault that everyone but wind is gearing up for LTE.

This has been talked about countless times here. The idea that T-Mobile is abandoning AWS on HSPA is completely, entirely, 100% a MYTH. They are transitioning some of their HSPA off of AWS, but it will still be an important part of their HSPA network. They do not have nearly enough 1900 spectrum to replace the existing AWS network, without turning off their GSM network (which they won't do for a couple of years), and maybe not even then. The entirety of their HSPA network will continue to be AWS, but the majority will be 1700/1900. T-Mobile will still want phones that support HSPA AWS for at least 5 more years, and likely for the next decade.

This sky-is-falling, fear mongering stuff is just unnecessary.

The simple answer is that wind/mobi are probably inept at managing a network. They do not invest enough money on the network.

The problem is two-fold. One, the level of investment required to build a network with higher frequency spectrum like they have in Europe is just not viable with Canadian population densities and the rates they are charging. Secondly, it takes much longer and costs much more to put up a cell tower in Canada (and the USA) than most of the rest of the world. Tower sharing regulation makes it much cheaper and easier in Europe to build a network.

But look at Telus LTE vs Wind HSPA. You still want me to believe that WIND is very efficient? You need to spend more money to make money.

Have you looked at Telus' LTE network? In heavily urban areas it's great because Bell/Telus have put up so many towers over the years in those areas in order to provide necessary capacity for their networks. But in more rural areas, where the extra capacity isn't needed, the Bell/Telus LTE network has large swaths of dead zones in supposedly covered areas. The network was built for 850 in those areas, and 1700 just can't provide the same coverage.

Of course, most people don't even notice because the network falls back to HSPA and still says 4G and provides good speeds on mobile devices.