Reply With QuoteWho's to blame? Well the stupid public is to blame because negative adds work. In the primary I voted for the candidates who used the fewest negative adds. If everyone did the same they would stop after one election.
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Who is to blame? The way I see it if the candidate says I'm Romney or Obama and I approve this ad then they're responsible for the accuracy of the ad.
Two recent controversial ads:
Claim: woman died after Romney yanked Healthcare. A superpac paid for this one. Obama cannot work with this PAC.
Claim: Obama will Cut work requirement for welfare. Direct Romney campaign ad.
Both failed fact check.
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Who's to blame? Well the stupid public is to blame because negative adds work. In the primary I voted for the candidates who used the fewest negative adds. If everyone did the same they would stop after one election.
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There's a gray area in the Pac about the steel worker's wife in that she had insurance until she lost her job around 2002-03 due to an injury. They later found out that she realized that she was sick with something during the time they were both uninsured but afraid to speak up because they couldn't afford the medical bills. They don't know the exact date she developed cancer but the point is that if the man still had his job then she wouldn't have been afraid to speak up and ask for help because they would still have had his income and health insurance from the company that Romney closed during that time period. (versus- waiting until 2006 to find out that it's now too late for her)
That ad hit home for a lot of Americans who've lost their jobs due to outsourcing by capitalist and business owners who just don't care. That's why the right is screaming foul because they know it's striking a chord with working folks.
The Romney ad is a clear fail and reported by all networks as just plain false.
Perhaps the bigger question is not who's at fault but which side is telling the truth at any given moment. I don't know that placing blame really accomplishes anything. Negative ads are a given in any campaign. The steelworker's ad was from a Pac and not approved by Obama. Romney approved his own ad about welfare cuts which was a proven falsehood so he's going to have to deal with the consequences. Having the judgement to decipher who's on your side and who's telling lies just to get your vote is what's needed to see beyond the fog. Sometimes you have to read between the lines and lean on moments from history where your gut instinct might otherwise fail you.
Last edited by RAINIER; 08-13-2012 at 07:00 PM.
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No surprise here, seeing that this is campaign mode.Originally Posted by blacksurfer
Making sure you're able to throw the biggest lump of mud your opponent.
Facts don't have any relevance during election season.
In the end though you will have to look at the entire context of the stated claim since both Obama and Romney PACs will only give you a portion of the issue at hand or will distort each others record. The campaign handlers want the juicy stuff that will stick and portray the other in a negative light, and I bet you that if you looked at the whole context of the claimed issue then you'll find more than what the spin masters want to give you.
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I respectfully disagree. Saying that facts don't matter is kind of like saying "we'll have to agree to disagree". Both positions relegate absolute facts to mere hearsay and sweep them under the rug. If I reported a Swiss bank account on my taxes, wouldn't you want to know why if I were running for President of the United States? Is my local bank too far to drive? Facts do matter.
SDeee 0wnz!
Unfortunately, you just twisted my quote to make it look like that I believe that facts don't really matter. This raises red flags IMO as to your intent.
Your intentions are quite suspicious seeing that I made it very clear that facts do matter with my opening my opening and closing statements.
It was very clear that campaigns do not rely on facts nor do think that facts matter, but half truths or omissions of facts/entire context.
Be very careful when you snip a sentence from the rest of the post and trying to reply, especially when it comes to controversial topics.
Last edited by i0wnj00; 09-12-2012 at 01:34 AM.
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I didn't twist your words nor did I take them out of context. The quote above is a blanket statement that covers all participants in both parties so it in itself can be considered a slant and out of context because it lumps all players equally guilty of omissions, half truths etc. Would you be so kind as to post specifics on how each campaign is distorting each others record on an equal scale? With all due respect, this forum has numerous examples of how Romney and Ryan lie with abandon. Do you have specific examples of their opponents distortions? You saidIs that a sure bet or just a vague hunch?"I bet you that if you looked at the whole context of the claimed issue then you'll find more than what the spin masters want to give you."
Last edited by RAINIER; 09-13-2012 at 12:16 AM.
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