T-Mobile's Chief Hopes to Overtake Sprint by 2015

[Evan702]

Nope, Sprint doesn't have any AWS at the present time.

[bluesamg]

Funny thing is sprint cannot see profit right now. I feel bad for sprint. Invest on an iphone to make their 3g (2g) seem like 1G(if it even exists)

[503ducati]

Funny thing is sprint cannot see profit right now. I feel bad for sprint. Invest on an iphone to make their 3g (2g) seem like 1G(if it even exists)

Heh, there's much you haven't read and aren't aware of yet. There is material on Sprint's debt and recent retired debt, the positive finanical impact of the iPhone and Network Vision are widely available here and on S4GU.

Actually this thread is about T-Mobile anyway.

[brad15]

eh let me come in and stir some crap..

Speedtests on T-Mobile HSPA+ during day ~4:40-4:50 in middle of campus, vs Sprint tonight (actually the best i've seen in Phoenix for a while!)

Sprint:


T-Mobile:



Once LTE finally shows up here in Phoenix (or any form of Sprint "4G" for that matter), i'll pick up an Evo LTE or Photon Q and see from there.

[503ducati]

eh let me come in and stir some crap..

Speedtests on T-Mobile HSPA+ during day ~4:40-4:50 in middle of campus, vs Sprint tonight (actually the best i've seen in Phoenix for a while!)


Once LTE finally shows up here in Phoenix (or any form of Sprint "4G" for that matter), i'll pick up an Evo LTE or Photon Q and see from there.

So the point to T-Mobile's decision to revert back to their old plan(s), is what?


I just don't see how rotating marketing efforts (having no identity) and not offering anything new or revolutionary will make any real difference for that company. All they need to do is brink back MyFaves and Catherine Zeta-Jones and they will have come full circle.

Today without the iPhone they can't effectively compete in postpaid long term. I'd hedge on a network sharing deal or an out right sale of the company. Sprint and T-Mobile "might decide to do a network-sharing deal as an interim step" before an outright merger, said Credit Suisse's Chaplin.

- No iPhone
- No 4G LTE


LTE PoPs covered by year's end 2012:


- Verizon 260+ million

- AT&T 150 million

- Sprint 123 million

- T-Mobile 0

[brad15]

LTE is completely irrelevant for GSM since HSPA still has a long way to go, the only way LTE makes any sense is just for ease of getting phones (and EVDO since its such an outdated tech now) and not to mention everyone else has to jump on it to say "Me too!" since VZW's marketing is just plain awesome.

I'm personally happy to keep my perfectly functioning HSPA+ with all day battery life when connected to "4G" that averages above 10Mbps in a busy area, as that's more than enough for anything i'd ever do with my phone.

Also, for people like me who have no official word from Sprint when we'll be getting a working data network that's not consistently timing out in busy parts of town, we do not care about LTE, all we care about is a steady decent data speed and T-Mobile right now is the one giving that to us (especially in Phoenix), not to mention any place i ever travel too and would visit has just fine HSPA+ coverage from T-Mobile... Sure i might have some edge in between, but it's generally far more stable than the overloaded 3G i've been experiencing on Sprint.

T-Mobile has been still profitable without selling the iPhone. I'm sure a majority of customer losses are the same issue that Sprint has (credit demographic wise), and considering T-Mobile was so lenient with FlexPay allowing pretty much anything breathing to sign up for "postpaid" service, that's accounting for a ton of the losses. I know when i worked for them i hated activating people on FlexPay as those were almost sure to be a chargeback.

T-Mobile will get the iPhone in due time, and maybe even by then it will not even be as big as it is now.. regardless they're going to be pulling in more customers just based on the Unlimited data alone, but because of their all fiber backbone they're in a much better position to offer that than Sprint currently happens to be.

As i've always said, i do want Sprint to succeed as both Sprint and T-Mobile are required to help keep the big boys in check, but Sprint needs to get it together and faster than they've been doing because Unlimited data will only go so far if you cannot load anything on it (and that happens to be a big majority of their metropolitan network)

[503ducati]

LTE is completely irrelevant for GSM since HSPA still has a long way to go, the only way LTE makes any sense is just for ease of getting phones (and EVDO since its such an outdated tech now) and not to mention everyone else has to jump on it to say "Me too!" since VZW's marketing is just plain awesome.

I'm personally happy to keep my perfectly functioning HSPA+ with all day battery life when connected to "4G" that averages above 10Mbps in a busy area, as that's more than enough for anything i'd ever do with my phone.

Also, for people like me who have no official word from Sprint when we'll be getting a working data network that's not consistently timing out in busy parts of town, we do not care about LTE, all we care about is a steady decent data speed and T-Mobile right now is the one giving that to us (especially in Phoenix), not to mention any place i ever travel too and would visit has just fine HSPA+ coverage from T-Mobile... Sure i might have some edge in between, but it's generally far more stable than the overloaded 3G i've been experiencing on Sprint.

For you...in Phoenix...sure. The US wireless market doesn't work that way as it's much more complex than that. Marketing, customer service, offering high demand products/services, among other things, is a necessity in the unique postpaid market here. Going back to what they previously offered that didn't compete most likely will not reverse the trend.




T-Mobile

January 1st 2011 - 33.7 million total subscribers

June 31st 2012 - 33.2 million total subscribers

-500,000


Sprint

January 1st 2011 - 49.9 million total subscribers

June 31st 2012 - 56.4 million total subscribers

+6,500,000

[brad15]

For you...in Phoenix...sure. The US wireless market doesn't work that way as it's much more complex than that. Marketing, customer service, offering high demand products/services, among other things, is a necessity in the unique postpaid market here. Going back to what they previously offered that didn't compete over they last two years most likely will not reverse the trend.


January 1st 2011 - present



T-Mobile

January 1st 2011 - 33.7 million total subscribers

June 31st 2012 - 33.2 million total subscribers

-500,000


Sprint

January 1st 2011 - 49.9 million total subscribers

June 31st 2012 - 56.4 million total subscribers

+6,500,000

I say let's give em a good quarter or two after the (re)launch of Unlimited Data, and hopefully a more respectable rate plan portfolio, and we can go from there.

Let's not forget they just got rid of that idiot from Germany (Phillip Humm) that almost totally took the company under.. Remember just a few years ago when Hessie took over Sprint that was just sure to go under at any point in time, they're still around and i'm confident T-Mobile will be for years to come as well.

Also, since you did not quote my entire post, i'm sure you missed where i edited it about some things that might have caused some churn. It has to get worse anywhere before it can get better, and to be honest they can only go up from here.

[503ducati]

I say let's give em a good quarter or two after the (re)launch of Unlimited Data, and hopefully a more respectable rate plan portfolio, and we can go from there.

Let's not forget they just got rid of that idiot from Germany (Phillip Humm) that almost totally took the company under.. Remember just a few years ago when Hessie took over Sprint that was just sure to go under at any point in time, they're still around and i'm confident T-Mobile will be for years to come as well.

Also, since you did not quote my entire post, i'm sure you missed where i edited it about some things that might have caused some churn. It has to get worse anywhere before it can get better, and to be honest they can only go up from here.

The problem is between now and 2nd Quarter next year will be a spike in new iPhone sales across "The Big Three" with "4G LTE" marketing in tow. I know this isn't going out on a limb but honestly I'd be shocked if T-Mobile could muster any positive customer additions for the remainder of this year.

[Antenna]

For you...in Phoenix...sure. The US wireless market doesn't work that way as it's much more complex than that. Marketing, customer service, offering high demand products/services, among other things, is a necessity in the unique postpaid market here. Going back to what they previously offered that didn't compete most likely will not reverse the trend.




T-Mobile

January 1st 2011 - 33.7 million total subscribers

June 31st 2012 - 33.2 million total subscribers

-500,000


Sprint

January 1st 2011 - 49.9 million total subscribers

June 31st 2012 - 56.4 million total subscribers

+6,500,000

How many of this 6,500,000 is actual branded sprint users, and how many are from wholesale I wonder

Sent from my HTC Amaze 4G

[503ducati]

How many of this 6,500,000 is actual branded sprint users, and how many are from wholesale I wonder

Sent from my HTC Amaze 4G

You know where to look it up.

[brad15]

The problem is between now and 2nd Quarter next year will be a spike in new iPhone sales across "The Big Three" with "4G LTE" marketing in tow. I know this isn't going out on a limb but honestly I'd be shocked if T-Mobile could muster any positive customer additions for the remainder of this year.

I doubt they're going to be a ton of new customers, mostly people doing upgrades. so i doubt Sprint or any other carrier will see any mass influx of customers over it, maybe sales to existing ones to keep them from leaving but that's about it (well i see people leaving VZ over the ludicrous data pricing they're forcing on people)

I can see AT&T and Sprint benefiting from VZW with the next launch, that's for sure. especially when people figure out that they'll have to drop that $30 unlimited plan and pay per GB or pay full price.

[Wireless Junkie]

LTE is completely irrelevant for GSM since HSPA still has a long way to go, the only way LTE makes any sense is just for ease of getting phones (and EVDO since its such an outdated tech now) and not to mention everyone else has to jump on it to say "Me too!" since VZW's marketing is just plain awesome.

I'm personally happy to keep my perfectly functioning HSPA+ with all day battery life when connected to "4G" that averages above 10Mbps in a busy area, as that's more than enough for anything i'd ever do with my phone.

Also, for people like me who have no official word from Sprint when we'll be getting a working data network that's not consistently timing out in busy parts of town, we do not care about LTE, all we care about is a steady decent data speed and T-Mobile right now is the one giving that to us (especially in Phoenix), not to mention any place i ever travel too and would visit has just fine HSPA+ coverage from T-Mobile... Sure i might have some edge in between, but it's generally far more stable than the overloaded 3G i've been experiencing on Sprint.

T-Mobile has been still profitable without selling the iPhone. I'm sure a majority of customer losses are the same issue that Sprint has (credit demographic wise), and considering T-Mobile was so lenient with FlexPay allowing pretty much anything breathing to sign up for "postpaid" service, that's accounting for a ton of the losses. I know when i worked for them i hated activating people on FlexPay as those were almost sure to be a chargeback.

T-Mobile will get the iPhone in due time, and maybe even by then it will not even be as big as it is now.. regardless they're going to be pulling in more customers just based on the Unlimited data alone, but because of their all fiber backbone they're in a much better position to offer that than Sprint currently happens to be.

As i've always said, i do want Sprint to succeed as both Sprint and T-Mobile are required to help keep the big boys in check, but Sprint needs to get it together and faster than they've been doing because Unlimited data will only go so far if you cannot load anything on it (and that happens to be a big majority of their metropolitan network)

If T-Mobile had a *national 3G* network that connected along all the major interstates like Sprint has, and the iPhone. They would be doing better. But their advertising and targeted customer base are all wrong now. Furthermore Sprint has more sub's on smartphone's right now decreasing churn, and more postpaid subs.

[Antenna]

Furthermore Sprint has more sub's on smartphone's right now decreasing churn, and more postpaid subs.

Actually, sprint has lost branded customers (due to Nextel). Their positive gains are from wholesale customers, like American Movil

[Evan702]

If T-Mobile had a *national 3G* network that connected along all the major interstates like Sprint has, and the iPhone. They would be doing better. But their advertising and targeted customer base are all wrong now. Furthermore Sprint has more sub's on smartphone's right now decreasing churn, and more postpaid subs.

Actually, sprint has lost branded customers (due to Nextel). Their positive gains are from wholesale customers, like American Movil

This seems like it's *supposed* to be a rebuttal, yet nothing that you claim actually invalidates any of Wireless Junkie's points...